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[Zaimejs]

Call it trolling if you want, but I went on vacation, came back and fired up a new game. I was playing as Venice (again). I haven't won a science victory, yet so I was going to try it. I found myself just clicking next turn over and over again. Just setting up trade routes, building buildings and sitting on a pile of cash without any real use for it.

I did that for awhile and finally just shut it off and I haven't played since. I realized that it was just tedium. Like working in a factory... doing the same thing over and over waiting for something to happen.

Maybe it's just because I was Venice, peaceful and only one real city? I have had fun fighting wars... but man, with trade routes, archeology and all of that, peace gets so tedious. Anyone else feel that?

 

[R0gue]

Why don't you put your gold to good use and buy a bloody army. You still have the ability to attack and use your puppets. You can actually by the science building in the puppet states. You just cannot choose the building your puppets make.

 

[livsbrand]

Yep. I actually think Portugal is kinda fun for peaceful games, but in the end even with them I'd end up murdering some people. Click-alongs suck and I find it up to myself to give my games a different fate. What difficulty are you playing?

 

[Randall_Flagg]

Open options, Find Single Player auto end turn. Click circle, stop the click fest. Grab a good book, this is the best way to enjoy Venice.

 

[pilot00]

Have the same problem with BNW in general dunno what it is but I think that they didn't implement the mechanics correctly. Especially late game is a next turn fest.

 

[MantaRevan]

I agree with both above players. IDK what difficulty or speed the OP is playing on, but BNW doesn't seem to be balanced for slower speeds, and also takes mind-numbing amounts of your time.
@Zaimejs You probably don't want to play Venice twice. If you already played them before, then use a different civ to get more out of the game and present yourself with a greater variety.
Also, you may want to turn quick movement and quick combat on, with all of those caravans floating around, the intermission between turns gets a little lengthy. You'll spend less time waiting around if you turn them off.

 

[Uncle_Joe]

If you're peaceful and don't expand, the vast majority of AIs are content to be friendly and help you along. It's easy cruising to a victory in most cases.

And yes, I find that to be boring as hell too.

 

[Monado]

The aspects of Venice's single city UA removes, in my opinion, the most interesting parts of any civ game. First, exploring the area around you to find the best place for your next cities and fighting with the AI to claim all these spots. Also, just being able to organize your citizens to get the maximum use of the land, which the ability to is negated by being forced to control only puppets.

If you are going to avoid warring while playing Venice, you might as well just put on your building queue, auto-end turn and just watch the game go by. Not an exciting game of civ.

 

[Matthew.]

Yeah, I found Venice boring as well. And I actually ended up doing what Randall suggested. Although it was only half-effective since every other turn you need to re-assign a trade route or some random Civ asks you a question.

I don't know why people are such fans. I could just play as Austria and have greater control over my play while still having the option to peacefully conquer CS's.

 

[livsbrand]

After my first Venice game I was like "So that was kinda fun. Let's never do that again.".

 

[Randall_Flagg]

After my first Venice game I was like "So that was kinda fun. Let's never do that again.".

Right!! And also, seeing that awesome city spot near Venice. Knowing you can never do anything about it. Just knowing that the AI will not use it like you would is painful.

 

[Zaimejs]

I think you all nailed it on the head. Maybe it is just Venice. The best part of the game is finding and expanding with new city spots. I had a wonder nearby that I couldn't exploit. I watched Russia just come in and take it from me.

I will avoid Venice in the future. I just did a random start to shake it up a bit.

I play on Emperor at regular speed. I'm thinking of moving up a notch, but emperor still is challenging, especially in the early game. This time I rushed the Great Library, got it and was ahead in science the rest of the game. I'm still disappointed with how incredibly important science is. With a lead in science, everything else is pretty easy because I'm not terrified of getting my archers blown away by muskets. You know?

Okay... I'll try another game with another new Civ. I think I've tried most of them.

Oh, and I do have all the quick move stuff turned on. I don't have the auto next turn option on because ... what's the point of even playing then?

 

[livsbrand]

I think you all nailed it on the head. Maybe it is just Venice. The best part of the game is finding and expanding with new city spots. I had a wonder nearby that I couldn't exploit. I watched Russia just come in and take it from me.

I will avoid Venice in the future. I just did a random start to shake it up a bit.

I play on Emperor at regular speed. I'm thinking of moving up a notch, but emperor still is challenging, especially in the early game. This time I rushed the Great Library, got it and was ahead in science the rest of the game. I'm still disappointed with how incredibly important science is. With a lead in science, everything else is pretty easy because I'm not terrified of getting my archers blown away by muskets. You know?

Okay... I'll try another game with another new Civ. I think I've tried most of them.

Oh, and I do have all the quick move stuff turned on. I don't have the auto next turn option on because ... what's the point of even playing then?

I definitely think you should play Immortal. Requires a whole lot more brain activity for me.

 

[HappyBuilder]

Had the same trouble trying to win a science victory with Poland. Once the civ was basically secure and with the world largely at peace, it was just a process of grinding through the game to the end...which was won diplomatically because that happened first.

 

[luko18]

Very map dependent. Im playing Extended Europe, North Western Europe - The old World (BNW) TSL map. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=500154
And there is constant war and political turmoil. AI Sweeden actually sneak attacked me and burned my city to the ground. Mongols attacked kiev with 8 units, but by that time KIEV had walls and Casttle. Mongols were not successful and retreated.

A lot of action, right map!!!!!

 

[ahawk]

Maybe it's just because I was Venice, peaceful and only one real city?

This. Venice is a very narrowly-focused civ. You really want to just buy off CSes prior to a World Leader vote and win Diplomatically most of the time as them. And the lead-up to that is pretty simple, since you can only hard-build and choose tiles to work in one city: everything else is just purchase a CS or two, set-up trade routes, and build a few units. And going to war by choice would only jeopardize your trade routes, especially the naval ones that are longer and more open to raiding.

I'd try any of the other new BNW civs again if you felt bored by Venice.

 

[steveg700]

Maybe it's just because I was Venice, peaceful and only one real city? I have had fun fighting wars... but man, with trade routes, archeology and all of that, peace gets so tedious. Anyone else feel that?

Try Zulus next and let us know how it works out for ya.

 

[Zaimejs]

I tried zulu... my favorite BNW game yet. Way behind in everything except for my military... and I just went on a conquering run. It was very exciting.

 

[bokaj]

I just played as Venice on Immortal. It was sooo easy compared to the countless failures I've had on Immortal (only won one game on Immortal so far).

I had over 10000 gold, and could build every building, a huge army, tech lead, every city state loved me. Merchants of Venice were just all over the place.

The only problem: About 50-100 turns until diplo victory...I'd have to press Next Turn for that many turns... so I quit.

 

[JustinianIV]

Try drinking whilst you play