Yin and Yang Doctrine

[blackheart]

Events on the new continent and our continent are disturbing me. The Chinese continue to grow stronger and stronger with each passing day as they absorb more of Germany's territory. Their might will soon match and possibly surpass ours. China's neighbors are weaklings and would be easily crushed if the ravenous armies of China were to march to their doorsteps.

On our own continent France is growing bigger. When we hit the industrial revolution her population will explode and her industrial capacity will be great.

Having said all this, I think we, as a nation, should take preventine measures to stop any nation from rising to becoming a superpower and cloaking the world in darkness. We should keep the balance of power. Balance out the yin and the yang of life, government, and power.

Now, who would like to help me draft this doctrine?

Doctrine, 1st edition:

We, the citizenry and government of Japanatica, declare that it is our goal, ability, and justification to help the lesser nations of the world from undue and unjust aggression and bullying by those who would become superpowers. We shall use any means necessary available to intervene on behalf of those in need and suffering. We will actively and passively fight for the sovereignty of other nations and will not overstep our boundaries as peacekeepers. We will not, however, abandon our honor or have our honor trespassed upon. May everyone and every government hear and see these words and be compassioned as to follow them so we and our posterity will live in peace.

 

[ravensfire]

You've identified a problem, but did not suggest a solution.

What exactly are you proposing to do - send in the marines, err, samurai?

-- Ravensfire

 

[Black_Hole]

oooo yay! a challenge, i dont remember having one of these in a dg

 

[Nobody]

if we were to invade iroquios and babalon then we would be far stronger than these upstarts

 

[Civanator]

I shall help thou. I will write a sampler. Speaking of dotcrines, what happened to most of the term 1 and early term 2 threads? Provolution's NDD would have been a great way to look at a good setup of a doctrine.

Anyways...

Japanatica shall, from here on, will not fight wars for land, resources, or anything to that effect. Japanatica shall fight for honor, and only for honor. Japanatica will fight with challenges and a clear ambition. Japanatica will help those who cannot help themselves, or are being wrongfully infringed on their sovereignty.

That's all I got for now cause I'm tryin to balance our defenses

 

[invy]

if we were to invade iroquios and babalon then we would be far stronger than these upstarts

Lol nobody, interesting way Damn we don't have fascism in vanilla..

 

[blackheart]

This is basically like a Monroe Doctrine of sorts (for the people here who don't know what it is, 2nd President of America, President Monroe issued it saying that if European nations wanted to mess with the affairs of any country in the Western hemisphere, they can piss off and face America in battle, of course, America couldn't enforce this but it set the stage for American foreign policy). It's basically we're the world police, like the UN. We will keep order and stop the bigger countries from bullying the smaller ones. I think this would be a nice balance from pacifism and warmongering, since this will inevitably lead us into wars, but with good reason.

Good start Civanator, but I don't like the first line. We need resources

 

[Crimso]

What if two small countries go to war? We could only stay out of it until one got too powerful, than we'd have to get involved. Our intervention could tip the scales too far and we might end up screwing things up even more.

 

[Epimethius]

Well, here's the current balance of power:

And here's a goal balance of power. That way, in a war no one would win, and no one would want to challenge anyone. We get a little bonus, naturally.

 

[Nobody]

Was Monroe the second? i thought it was john adams. but im not american so im proberly wrong (but i not )

Japanatica shall fight for honor

Yes we shoud, Iroquios sneak attacked us, and BABYLON these backstabing bowmen dont know the first thing about honur then signed a military alliance agaisnt us!!! our honor demands the we invade these people, kill these leaders and convert them to our religion.

EDIT: This is my 150th post YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [dance]

 

[Sir Donald III]

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

You can do it with the long blade of the er... whatever a Samurai's sword is called, gaining ground until only a few superpowers exist. These will fight in an ultimate battle... which would send the world into waste...

You can do it with the pen, signing agreements with other nations... who could just as easily turn on you.

But, there is a third way.

The way of the Ninja.

These strike with speed and stealth, crippling the enemy command, and leaving without a trace.

Now, we have no Ninja units in Civ3. However, we have 2 units which are close:

The Explorer (moves 2R and Pillages, but has no attack or defense), and the Privateer (Offensive Ship only, Hidden Nationality.)

I would like to see an "Explorer and Privateer Corps", designed to "take preventine measures to stop any nation from rising to becoming a superpower and cloaking the world in darkness," and preserving the balance of power. (To our advantage, but still )

These would strike only at strong rivals, or ones who emerge too quickly (and without our sanction.) Explorers would pillage roads in neutral territory, cutting off ill gotten gains from the homelands of the conquerers, while Privateers would harass shipping of powers, especially those invading other nations.

Meanwhile, our Defnese Minister would have Deniability, as there are merely "Rogue Ronin" who do not conform to the code of the Samurai.


Now, a in-game mechanics question: Does having Privateers, at all, affect your Reputation?


And Monroe made the Doctrine, but he was the 5th President.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I like the Privateer plan. Explorers, however, have visible nationality and pillaging with an explorer is an act of war. Privateers have hidden nationality and their actions are not reputation influencial (IIRC).

 

[Provolution]

Nobody and MOTH wants a boring game. If we took on the easiest tasks by default, we would be "rational". Problem is, "rational" would kill the demogame and make it as entertaining as a windows screensaver. Only bright doctrinal planning can save the game.
The Embryonic Party has no support from me, as they represent gradual organic growth.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

I like the Privateer plan. Explorers, however, have visible nationality and pillaging with an explorer is an act of war. Privateers have hidden nationality and their actions are not reputation influencial (IIRC).

Yep, that's right. The AI *does* know who they belong to, but they act like they don't - it's not an act of war. The only thing it does is affect the attitude a slight bit. But nothing that will change reputation.

(PS: I'm all for privateers as well)

 

[MOTH]

... and MOTH wants a boring game

Stop with the personal ***unfounded*** attacks on me. As shown in other threads I am in favor of doctrine. This is trolling and I will not have a part in it. The next personal attack you make on me better have some quote or other reference or you are going to get banned **again**

 

[Provolution]

LOL MOTH, if this small statement warrants a ban... Well being banned is something you get by having a strong profile. And yes, call in the moderators to squash the opposition, cancel wonders, ban your opponents, overrule turnchats, override laws, ignore court sentences. Team America World Police, that says it all.

MOTH, when you write a doctrine, I will let this pass, since you decided to stop some.

 

[MOTH]

Provo,
Please provide some references when you *imply* that I have done these things.

And, yes, I have written a doctrine for term3 for HAI-RANDO if you wish to look for it in the Citizen's forum.

 

[Provolution]

MOTH

By the way, I look forward to see a guarantee in this thread that your political sponsor would ban me for ever questioning your lack of doctrine again. However, not having a doctrine is not necessarily a bad thing, it is just different. In fact, a minority of the population een knows what a doctrine means, and even fewer can write one. In fact, the majority of the postings is about stopping or nullifying initiatives that require some work. I am amazed that Cyc put up with all this for so long. But in fairness MOTH, you do have some valid and good posts, but the problem I have with your doctrinal planning is that you tend to take the most straightforward and no-brainer solutions that are so "rational" that there is no real need to develop long strategic posts on them. I know some people here like a minimum of writing, and hate long posts.

Yet this is a forum based game. People with a short attention span and limited memory and cognition should rather see a reality tv or talkshow

 

[MOTH]

And who is my political sponsor?

 

[Provolution]

Who is your political sponsor ? Well, I am curious to see that emerge. If that political sponsor emerges, I would not be surprised, if no political sponsor emerges, I would not be
surprised. Yet, you need more material evidence than the reference "boring" to get someone banned. When you rattle with your sabre and ask for banning someone you does not like that early in a debate process, that is ill omen for what to expect in debates from you. Maybe I should avoid debating with you, since you threaten with a ban right away. Now, you use the ban I had early september against me to make you look good. Yet, leaders like Mandela, Lenin, Hitler and in general all types has been banned. Mandela was 30 years in prison, and became a great leader. I am just a humble poster here and has no ambition to become a leader here.

But if someone cannot call a blind call for WOTP sanctioned war and no strategy to back it, you got to live with a doctrinal label for some time, like I got to live with my ban, which I still feel I should get, since I am sick and tired of some immigrants.
I got some clout on migration to my country, and I worked to reduce that on the side.