[RD] War in Gaza: News Thread

[Estebonrober]

All six of your sentences are equally appropriate to Hamas' intentions towards Israel and the Jews. E.g. try replacing "nakba" with "holocaust".

I've said it before and I will say it again, Hamas's Jewish eradication language has long been removed from its charter and their leaders have claimed for years that they have no intention of removing Jewish people as a whole from the region.... just abolishing the state of Israel, which is not a forking jeweish project its a european colonial project.

1988 Hamas charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hamas's 2017 charter removed the antisemitic language and clarified Hamas's struggle was with Zionists, not Jews.

To all the posters here indicating Arab antisemitism towards Jewish people at large, this was intentionally instigated by the colonists over a hundred years ago to drive up resettlement of Jewish people into Israel out of say Iraq where large Jewish populations existed peacefully until the Zionist escalations in Palestine.

Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The reasons for the exoduses are manifold, including: pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, find a better economic status and a secure home in either Israel or Europe and the Americas, and the Israeli government's implementation of official policy in favour of the "One Million Plan" to focus on accommodating Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries;[16] and push factors, such as antisemitism, persecution, and pogroms, political instability,[17] poverty,[17] and expulsion.

To the posters indicating that this is just siege warfare and not a big deal... It's almost as if WWII and its causes and consequences are being completely ignored for the sake of covering the crimes of a perceived friend. First Israel is no one's friend, it is a rogue state worse than any other rogue state I've seen in my lifetime. Second, the establishment of the UN and the international law hammered out over the last almost 80 years now was meant to stop land grabs exactly because this behavior is cyclical... Everything Israel is doing now is only sowing the seeds of its demise. One cannot live in a neighborhood in which everyone wants you dead forever... there will come a time when this behavior (exactly this behavior since 10/7) will come back to haunt all Israelis and by extension (given the amount of religious bull built around the conflict) the rest of the world. They should be stopped. It is clear the UN Charter indicates Israel should be stopped... and if it refuses to comply it should be removed formally from the UN. It has spent the past six months not only mass murdering what is its own population (a war against Hamas is literally nonsense since Hamas nor Gaza are nations themselves but populations in Israel, but it has also attack almost all of its neighboring nation states without any sort of formal justification jsut stupid hand waving towards Iran.

United Nations Charter (full text) | United Nations

www.un.org

It is amazing to watch people defend this behavior, largely the same types of people who came to understand the fallacies of the war on terror pursued by the US... yet somehow you never actually learn anything...

Oh, and USA Inc. deserves everything that happens to it, its evil and has been the entire time, the people themselves are not as guilty... but considering how quickly many here are to condemn entire Arab populations to collective punishments for having the audacity of existing in the region that your perceived enemies are from, I'd have to imagine you can easily see why so many think "America deserved 9/11", and frankly we are more guilty than most Arab populations, we in the US benefit indirectly from much of the violence of USA Inc. inflicts on the rest of the planet for its capital gains.

The USA Inc. as it was signing the Geneva Convention was in the act of violating it massively, it is, and always has been hypocritical...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWghIVErqy0Adthf1_mLOlldlJPFY6vlV

Meanwhile the crimes continue...

IDF admits to killing two Gazans, burying them with a bulldozer

CNN could not confirm if the two shots were of the same people and whether they were in the same location, but Al Jazeera claims that it shows the same event.

www.jpost.com

 

[Zardnaar]

I've said it before and I will say it again, Hamas's Jewish eradication language has long been removed from its charter and their leaders have claimed for years that they have no intention of removing Jewish people as a whole from the region.... just abolishing the state of Israel, which is not a forking jeweish project its a european colonial project.

1988 Hamas charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To all the posters here indicating Arab antisemitism towards Jewish people at large, this was intentionally instigated by the colonists over a hundred years ago to drive up resettlement of Jewish people into Israel out of say Iraq where large Jewish populations existed peacefully until the Zionist escalations in Palestine.

Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To the posters indicating that this is just siege warfare and not a big deal... It's almost as if WWII and its causes and consequences are being completely ignored for the sake of covering the crimes of a perceived friend. First Israel is no one's friend, it is a rogue state worse than any other rogue state I've seen in my lifetime. Second, the establishment of the UN and the international law hammered out over the last almost 80 years now was meant to stop land grabs exactly because this behavior is cyclical... Everything Israel is doing now is only sowing the seeds of its demise. One cannot live in a neighborhood in which everyone wants you dead forever... there will come a time when this behavior (exactly this behavior since 10/7) will come back to haunt all Israelis and by extension (given the amount of religious bull built around the conflict) the rest of the world. They should be stopped. It is clear the UN Charter indicates Israel should be stopped... and if it refuses to comply it should be removed formally from the UN. It has spent the past six months not only mass murdering what is its own population (a war against Hamas is literally nonsense since Hamas nor Gaza are nations themselves but populations in Israel, but it has also attack almost all of its neighboring nation states without any sort of formal justification jsut stupid hand waving towards Iran.

United Nations Charter (full text) | United Nations

www.un.org

It is amazing to watch people defend this behavior, largely the same types of people who came to understand the fallacies of the war on terror pursued by the US... yet somehow you never actually learn anything...

Oh, and USA Inc. deserves everything that happens to it, its evil and has been the entire time, the people themselves are not as guilty... but considering how quickly many here are to condemn entire Arab populations to collective punishments for having the audacity of existing in the region that your perceived enemies are from, I'd have to imagine you can easily see why so many think "America deserved 9/11", and frankly we are more guilty than most Arab populations, we in the US benefit indirectly from much of the violence of USA Inc. inflicts on the rest of the planet for its capital gains.

The USA Inc. as it was signing the Geneva Convention was in the act of violating it massively, it is, and always has been hypocritical...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWghIVErqy0Adthf1_mLOlldlJPFY6vlV

Meanwhile the crimes continue...

IDF admits to killing two Gazans, burying them with a bulldozer

CNN could not confirm if the two shots were of the same people and whether they were in the same location, but Al Jazeera claims that it shows the same event.

www.jpost.com

Consider it was removed for PR purposes?

 

[pigswill]

Hamas is not, has never been and likely never will be a threat to the existence of Israel. An army of 30-50,000 light infantry without artillery or air support has absolutely no chance of defeating the IDF. They've recently proven themselves able to organise a mass incursion and murder a large number of civilians but that's a long way of being a threat to Israel's existence.

 

[Arwon]

Consider it was removed for PR purposes?

Yeah that must be it, that public relations push must be why you people were all so aware of it already.

 

[Zardnaar]

Hamas is not, has never been and likely never will be a threat to the existence of Israel. An army of 30-50,000 light infantry without artillery or air support has absolutely no chance of defeating the IDF. They've recently proven themselves able to organise a mass incursion and murder a large number of civilians but that's a long way of being a threat to Israel's existence.

It's more people arguing about 1 state solution.

Hamas is more about raids and rocket attacks.

So any permanent solution can't really involve Hamas in charge of anything.

 

[Gorbles]

If that's the logic, I can't reasonably see how Israel can be in charge of anything either.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yeah that must be it, that public relations push must be why you people were all so aware of it already.

Well when your charter outright implies murder its hard to avoid it.

Throw in what we know about Hamas governance of Gaza (hint they kill their own) and the fate of Jews in surround land well yeah.

One state might work in 3 or 4 generations.

Hamas would have to go alongside Netanyahu. Armed truce until next round is best one can hope for atm.

 

[REDY]

Hamas coldheartly murdered innocent citizens. Jews, western and eastern christians, muslim arabs and beduins, far eastern asians.
Palestinians visibly poking and making fun of raped corpses of murdered people.
Its hard to symphatize with Palestinians.
Its Hamas which is refusing cease fire and freeing kidnapped, the most of Palestinians support it, there is no visible protest.

 

[Zardnaar]

Hamas coldheartly murdered innocent citizens. Jews, western and eastern christians, muslim arabs and beduins, far eastern asians.
Palestinians visibly poking and making fun of raped corpses of murdered people.
Its hard to symphatize with Palestinians.
Its Hamas which is refusing cease fire and freeing kidnapped but most of Palestinians support it, there is no visible protest.

Yup Palestinian over here who supports greater Palestine is here because his uncle warned him to flee.

Via Jordan.

Wasn't the IDF that was going to kill him.

 

[Gorbles]

Palestinians visibly poking and making fun of raped corpses of murdered people.

You haven't been keeping up with IDF activities on social media, huh?

Hamas coldheartly murdered innocent citizens. Jews, western and eastern christians, muslim arabs and beduins, far eastern asians.

Or the IDF's activities in general I guess. Bombing Christian churches in Gaza happened months ago at this point.

 

[Zardnaar]

You haven't been keeping up with IDF activities on social media, huh?

Or the IDF's activities in general I guess. Bombing Christian churches in Gaza happened months ago at this point.

IDFs doing it to someone else, Hamas does it to their own people.

I would rather be an Arab in Israel vs Gaza under Hamas rule. Jews aren't safe anywhere in Arabic world would pick Iran tbh.

 

[Gorbles]

IDFs doing it to someone else, Hamas does it to their own people.

I woukd rather be an Arab in Israel vs Gaza under Hamas rule. Jews aren't safe anywhere in Arabic world would pick Iran tbh.

You have no idea what it's like to be Arab-Israeli. Not that "who you'd rather be" matters at all here.

Hamas exists because of Israel. Israel even helped them get a leg up on the PLA. If you keep trying to play the blame game, but ignore facts when it's convenient, you're only fooling yourself.

 

[REDY]

You haven't been keeping up with IDF activities on social media, huh?

Or the IDF's activities in general I guess. Bombing Christian churches in Gaza happened months ago at this point.

I noticed the scandal of IDF members posing with stolen lingeria.

 

[Zardnaar]

You have no idea what it's like to be Arab-Israeli. Not that "who you'd rather be" matters at all here.

Hamas exists because of Israel. Israel even helped them get a leg up on the PLA. If you keep trying to play the blame game, but ignore facts when it's convenient, you're only fooling yourself.

Not to concerned who did what in the past. Right here right now you have Hamas and Netanyahu.

I'm sure you're opposed to the death penalty in the UK but don't mind Hamas extra judicial killing because they're on the right side.

CFC CCP lot are basically hypocrites lol. I'm not jumping through hoops justifying everything Israel does. Realpolitk Israel exists. Netanyahu should go along with Hamas.

 

[Arwon]

Why are Israeli soldiers sharing snuff videos from their genocide in Gaza?​

Decades of impunity, not only for the Israeli regime but also for Israeli individuals guilty of war crimes, has led us to this point.

Since the beginning of the genocide in Gaza in October, Israeli soldiers have been posting what can only be described as snuff videos on social media platforms. In the videos, soldiers can be seen – often gleefully – committing war crimes against Palestinians.

In one video, an Israeli soldier dressed in a dinosaur costume loads artillery shells into a tank and dances as the shells are fired in the direction of Gaza. In another video, a soldier is filmed dedicating an explosion to his two-year-old daughter for her birthday. Seconds later, a Palestinian residential building behind him is blown up. Other videos show Israeli soldiers setting alight Palestinian food supplies during a starvation campaign and mocking stripped, rounded-up and blindfolded Palestinian civilians.

There has been shock and outrage over the videos on social media platforms by Palestinians and their allies with many noting that the videos should be used as evidence in the case against the Israeli regime for genocide before the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Indeed, this latest aggression on Gaza has been one of the most visually documented atrocities in history. And genocidal intent has never been so blatantly expressed by both soldiers and political leaders.

Even those who support the Israeli regime seem to be shocked at the brazenness with which Israeli soldiers are sharing these videos. British broadcaster Piers Morgan, for example, asked on X, formerly Twitter: “Why do Israeli soldiers keep filming themselves doing this kind of crass, insensitive thing? Why don’t their commanders stop them? Makes them look callous when so many children in Gaza are being killed.” For Morgan, it seems, the problem is not what the soldiers are doing but rather that they are filming themselves doing it.

People less informed on the context might find it strange that these soldiers are implicating themselves in such horrific crimes without a second thought. But those with deeper knowledge of the Zionist settler colonial project in Palestine know that decades of impunity not only for the Israeli regime but also for Israeli individuals guilty of war crimes has led us to this point.

Indeed, the Israeli regime has yet to face any serious consequences from third states for the crimes it has been committing against the Palestinian people since its inception. Rather, it enjoys exceptional diplomatic and trade relations with much of the Western world and has been the largest recipient of United States aid. Rather than being shunned from global institutions and events, it is included and celebrated from Eurovision to the Olympics.

And there is another aspect of Israeli impunity that is often overlooked: Israeli soldiers routinely admit to horrific crimes they commit against the Palestinians to clear their conscience and absolve themselves of personal responsibility but never face any accountability.

Israelis themselves describe the practice as “yorim ve bochim”, which translates from Hebrew as “shooting and crying”. A favourite pastime of the Zionist left, it takes centre stage in dozens of Israeli films and documentaries.

Take the widely celebrated film Tantura, named after a Palestinian fishing village that was subjected to a massacre in 1948. In this film, several Israeli veterans talk with ease about the fact that they killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians. Others openly admit to participating in ethnic cleansing, yet all are portrayed as complicated individuals who are traumatised by the trauma they inflicted on Palestinians.

“Yorim ve bochim” is also epitomised in the work of the Israeli NGO Breaking the Silence. A darling of the liberal West, the organisation of Israeli army veterans tries to expose the reality of the “Occupied Territories” by providing a space to Israeli soldiers to confidentially recount their experiences in the Israeli army and at times admit to taking part in systematic abuse and destruction. The testimonies on its website make for incredibly difficult reading, particularly in this moment when we are seeing what is happening in Gaza. And yet nowhere does this organisation call for accountability or address what justice might look like for the Palestinians whom the soldiers they work with have systematically abused over decades.

The reality is that over the last seven and a half decades, there has been complete impunity for brutalising and slaughtering Palestinians. The ongoing genocide in Gaza and the way in which it is being so brazenly shared on social media by the perpetrators is a manifestation of that impunity. The only way to make sure that it stops and never happens again is to hold not only those who have taken part in the genocide accountable but also those who are complicit.

 

[Arwon]

France to Take Legal Action Against French-Israeli Soldiers Involved in War Crimes in Gaza - Following pressure from left-wing political party, Foreign Ministry says it will take legal action against any dual-national soldiers engaged in activities in Gaza that constitute war crimes

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I woukd rather be an Arab in Israel vs Gaza under Hamas rule.

This is a photo of an Arab street in Hebron. Can you guess why they have those nets?

A Guided Tour of Hebron, from Two Sides of the Occupation

Hebron is a microcosm of the West Bank, a place where the key practices of the Israeli occupation can be observed up close, in a single afternoon.

www.newyorker.com

Amro’s tour begins, necessarily, with crossing a checkpoint. Amro resides in the Tel Rumeida neighborhood of Hebron, in an area where about thirty thousand Palestinians—a fraction of the number who used to live here—live under direct Israeli military rule, which protects fewer than a thousand Israeli settlers. This part of the city is freely accessible to Israeli citizens and foreigners, but most Palestinians can enter only if they’re residents. It’s a border-style checkpoint, with two sets of revolving gates and two soldiers, behind glass, checking documents. Like all Palestinians in Tel Rumeida, Amro has to go through a checkpoint in order to buy groceries and again to bring them home, or to fill his kitchen-stove tank with propane. He has to carry the tank on his back, because Palestinians are not allowed to drive within the neighborhood. On one afternoon and evening in Hebron, I observed Amro cross checkpoints a half-dozen times, and not once did the soldiers pass up an opportunity to harass him: now demanding a body search, now screaming insults at him, now informing him that, as of a half hour earlier, passage to a Palestinian-owned souvenir shop was closed to Palestinians. The soldiers know Amro for his activism, and ongoing harassment of him appears to be a regular part of their job.

 

[innonimatu]

Hamas coldheartly murdered innocent citizens. Jews, western and eastern christians, muslim arabs and beduins, far eastern asians.
Palestinians visibly poking and making fun of raped corpses of murdered people.
Its hard to symphatize with Palestinians.
Its Hamas which is refusing cease fire and freeing kidnapped, the most of Palestinians support it, there is no visible protest.

And here is another example of a "well informed" westerned who swallowed propaganda whole and, despite it having been dismantled afterwards, continues to regurgitate it. And use it as an excuse to justify ongoing genocide. Have you no shame?

Hamas is refusing a temporary cease fire, and releasing the hostages before Israel agrees to a permanetnt cease-fire and widrawal from Gaza. They are demanding a permanent cease-fire. Because everyone knows that a temporary-cease-fire and releasing the hostages would free the israeli governemt from a sttill relevant internal pressure to end the war, and allow it to resume the project, and also continue the tsarvation strategy in he meanwhile.

On the claims you repeat above. There is far more evidence of the israeli army cold-heartedly murdering innocent israeli civilians, jews, whomever was in their target sights in that day as they counter-attacked, than of Hamas fighters. Israeli press has printed numerous stories about it. The hannibal doctrine in action. Attack helicopters simply shooting at houses and cars, anything that moved, killing many, many civilians in the process. It is very logical, and was from the first news, that those that israeli propaganda claimed had been "burned to death by Hamas" were in fact burned to death by hellfire missiles being shot from israeli attack helicopters. Indiscriminately.

You do you come here and keep arguing based on already debunked war propaganda? Why are you so unable to review your own biases, based on new facts? If you bother enough to frequent and post here, you surely read those stories and are aware of the polemics inside Israel about how the army reacted and how many it killed and then tried to excuse by blaming on the palestinians? It was so blatant that israeli military censorship couldn't supress it!

I do know how propaganda works. I'm not surprised it was effective, and that those from the start biased against the palestinians cling to the lies to justify their biases. But the links to the updated stories debunking the israeli claims about October 7 were posted on these threads.

It is not as if Israel walked blindly into this. Look back at the discussions in October there. The decision to invade Gaza was an option, not a necessity. And the consequences were known, predicted.

In the meanwhile genocide Joe keeps arming "the world's most moral army". It wouldn't do for Israel to run out of bombs in the middle of conducting a genocide, would it?

 

[Gorbles]

I'm not jumping through hoops justifying everything Israel does.

You literally responded to me (responding to REDY) to defend Israel's actions vs. Hamas'. Nobody made you do that. Nobody asked you to do that. It was your choice to jump through that hoop.

But I'm not expecting a sudden realisation from the poster who instead of ever posting news, accuses other posters of being okay with Hamas "extrajudicial killing"

 

[Zardnaar]

You literally responded to me (responding to REDY) to defend Israel's actions vs. Hamas'. Nobody made you do that. Nobody asked you to do that. It was your choice to jump through that hoop.

But I'm not expecting a sudden realisation from the poster who instead of ever posting news, accuses other posters of being okay with Hamas "extrajudicial killing"

More support for multiple regimes that do extra judicial killing.