Altered Maps XIV: Cartographical Consistency

Magyar invasions of Europe (late 9th / first half of 10th centuries):

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The invasion of 937 seems to be missing (against southern Italy & western France).
 
Sogn and Rogaland are there, and if you absolutely need Hålogaland there's the bishoprics:
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Not good enough. Until Norwegians sail the northern seas and harry their shores as they were wont to do in olden times, they shall not be earning the favour of Fate.
Lohrenswald said:
Also cunning kings? You must have misunderstood.
King Haralðr, son of Sigurðr, was certainly a cunning fellow.
Lohrenswald said:
Also, better of in the plague days?
The plague only came after the old ways were abandoned.
 
Aight Takhisisisis, I've altered a map to adress the issues you have raised:

I prefer Halogaland, Rogaland, Kvenland, Sogn, etc.

Norwegians were better when their oil was whales' or olive oil, their ships dragon-prowed, the men valiant and their kings cunning.

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Once you go black death you never go back to invading Britain.

But don't think that Norway, the master and inventor of diplomacy doesn't have more sinister plans.

Oh, no, Norway merely holds its cards close to its chest.

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Regarding linguistics:

"Deutschland über alles"=Germany above all
"Norge/Noreg overalt"=Norway bloody everywhere
 

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"Deutschland über alles"=Germany above all

I found this explanation:

"Über alles (in der Welt)" means above everything (in the world), in the sense that something is more important than anything else. The meaning is similar to when you say: My family is my everything. It does not mean that your family is superior or better than others, neither does it mean that you only have your family and nothing else.
If the meaning of "superior than others" is intended instead, in German that would be "über Allen". German grammar is "quirky" enough to differentiate between those two. "Alles" refers to an entirety, while "Allen" refers to separate entities.

And alternative explanation:

It means those germlanders are uebermenschen as opposed to them inferior race neighbour countries residents.
 
You really didn't know about 'Deutschland über alles'?
 
No, Austria had "Kaiserlied". Hitler - being a citizen of Austria - did not want to sing Austrian anthem:

Adolf Hitler said:
(...) In relatively early adolescence I had an opportunity to take part in a nationalistic struggle in old Austria. We had a school organization and we expressed our views using cornflowers and black-red-gold colours. We were saluting each other with 'Heil' and instead of 'Kaiserlied' we were singing, despite warnings and punishments, 'Deutschland über Alles'. This way, we young people were educating ourselves politically (...) I was not among the indifferent people and soon I became a fanatical German nationalist, but not in modern party-related understanding of this word. Development in this direction was in my case very fast, so fast that already when a 15 years old boy I could distinguish between dynastic 'patriotism', and national 'nationalism'. I understood the latter much better. Already as boys we knew, that this Austrian state did not show any affection for us, Germans. Our knowledge about methods of conduct of the Habsburgs was being confirmed each day by daily experiences. In the north and in the south the poison of alien races was devouring the flesh of our nation and even Vienna was gradually less and less resembling a German city. "The Emperor's House" was becoming Czech where only that was possible; finally the hand of the goddess of everlasting justice and unrelenting vengeance killed the greatest enemy of the Germanness of Austria - Archduke Franz Ferdinand. He was killed by a bullet whom he had personally helped. After all, he was the main patron of the movement the goal of which was to turn Austria into a Slavic country. The embryo of the World War and indeed the total ruin of Germany were caused by fatal alliance between the young German Reich with the Austrian artificial state. (...) Since my earliest adolescence I was convinced, that the destruction of Austria is the necessary condition for the security of the German race. (...) The misfortune for the German race was especially the ruling House of Habsburg. The consequences of that was my passionate love of the German Austria and my deep hatred of the Austrian State. (...)

(...) Because the domination of the ethnic German element had been broken, the system served for games between particular nationalities. Generally the line of development was established against Germans. Especially from times when the Archduke, Franz Ferdinand, began to grow in strength, and he supported Czech ambitions. The future ruler of the monarchy attempted with use of all means to cause the process of De-Germanization. This is why often German settlements were being slowly but efficiently subjected to influence of foreign-speaking nations. In Lower Austria the process was much faster and many Czechs considered Vienna to be their own city. The main idea of that new Habsburg, whose family spoke Czech (wife of the Archduke was an ethnic Czech countess and in her family there were strong anti-German traditions), aimed at establishing in Central Europe a Slavic state with Catholic religion as a counter-weight to Orthodox Russia. That's how religion became once again involved in serving political concepts, which was frequent in Habsburg policies. (...) After the war of 1870 the House of Habsburg slowly, with premeditation and determination, started an effort leading to rooting out the dangerous German race - it was the goal of the Slavophile family of the emperor. (...)

People who claim that Hitler was "Austrian not German", are the ones who have no idea about what he wrote in Mein Kampf.

Too bad because the ones who don't know history, usually repeat it.

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BTW:

"The goddess of justice and vengeance" mentioned by Hitler, is Skadi (from Pagan, Old Norse pantheon):

http://www.wizardrealm.com/norse/gods.html

"Skadi is the Goddess of Winter and of the Hunt. She is married to Njord, the gloomy Sea God, noted for his beautiful bare feet (which is how Skadi came to choose him for her mate.) Supposedly the bare foot is an ancient Norse symbol of fertility. The marriage wasn't too happy, though, because she really wanted Baldur for her husband. She is the goddess of Justice, Vengeance, and Righteous Anger, and is the deity who delivers the sentence upon Loki to be bound underground with a serpent dripping poison upon his face in payment for his crimes. (...)"


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James Stuart in another thread wrote about the Holocaust:

James Stuart said:
2nd picture: A crime committed by predominantly Christian, radical German militants that did not involve a single Palestinian.

Let's see what a Jewish-American author, Theodore N. Kaufman, wrote about those alleged "Christians" in his book "Germany Must Perish" (and he was writing that book during the Holocaust in Europe):

From chapter "Germanism Abroad":

True Germanism, being as it is a purely primitive paganism with some modern "refinements" finds that it can express itself best by committing barbaric and bestial acts of violence against civilized peoples. Thus, if Germanism were ever to prevail upon this earth we can be sure that every step would be taken though few indeed are these steps which the Germans have not already taken! to reawaken every dormant animal instinct and vicious trait in man. Thus it has been a chief aim of the German to eradicate each and every one of the three principal religions from this earth. However, the German was practical enough to realize that he could not successfully combat all the religions at one time with any hope of emerging supreme. But since their extinction was absolutely necessary to the propagation of the German dogma of hate and destruction, the Germans conceived their now infamous and ofttried trick of pitting first the believers in one religion against those of another until, at a single coup, they could deliver the final knock-out blow against the single remaining adversary. It was in Austria that they first tested the efficiency of their scheme, a test which, at that time, actually constituted organized high treason against that country. Germanism had its birth in Austria as an organized movement founded and headed by an Austrian statesman, one Schoenerer, in 1878. Its activity was rather limited in scope until 1898 when Schoenerer joined with Hasse; from that time on the Pan-German League in Berlin became the head of the movement in Austria, and it proceeded at once to establish permanent bases of operation in that country. First a plan of attack was decided upon. Hasse and Schoenerer agreed that if Germany was ever to rule over Austria the latter country must first be forced to break with Rome (Roman Catholicism). In order to achieve this objective the leaders decided upon a roundabout course of action. They therefore first created an artificially stimulated pseudo-religious revivalist movement having anti-Semitism as its primary and immediate purpose. The German Hasse found some renegade, so-called Catholics (though such men were no more Catholics in spirit than those men of any religion who, hiding behind a pulpit of a church, rail against God and preach hatred and intolerance) members of the leading Catholic Party, who agreed to act as leaders of such a movement. It was not long thereafter that a frightful wave of anti-Semitic persecution began to sweep over Austria, continuing unabated in intensity, until Schoenerer and Hasse felt that a sufficiently high degree of agitation and terrorism had been reached. Thereupon they turned their efforts against the Catholic Party and in turn, started a rabid anti-Catholic, "free from-Rome" movement of their own, Schoenerer declaring that "the chains which tie us to a Church hostile to Germanism must be broken." The "No Popery" and anti-Catholic agitation was stimulated by Hasse and Schoenerer through their introduction into Austria of numerous pseudo-evangelical, free-booter German clergymen who were liberally paid, with money and liquor, to rail against the Catholics. Though the complete success of this plan was not achieved, it did have a salutary effect; that of establishing and proving that audacity and ruthless aggressiveness of the German.

So much "Christian" were the German Nazis.

You can also see that Hitler recalled only Pagan Germanic deities in his "Mein Kempf", such as for example goddess Skadi. The "Gott" that German soldiers prayed to during WW2, was a purely Germanic god. The official doctrine of Nazi Germany rejected Jesus Christ and the Holy Family, because they were ethnic Jews. Germans called that new religion "practical Christianity" or "positive Christianity" - read about it.
 
Being able to quote Mein Kampf is worrying in itself, but doing so in the altered maps thread is another thing entirely.
 
(which has never been published, by the way)
 
Flying Pig,

I have every right to know what was the motivation of that guy who is responsible for several deaths in my family.

Tolni,

Bulgarians collaborated with that guy as his allies, instead of getting murdered by him, unlike some people from my family.
 
I must say I've read Mein Kampf* and I'm generally obsessed by Hitler's psychology, too.

*I didn't like it. A very dreary tedious read. Badly written, and it was very hard not to fall asleep.
 
And, again, it's in completely the wrong place, Domen. What's with the dig at Bulgaria, too? Do you think that everyone is as strongly wedded to their nationality as you are?
 
Flying Pig,

I have every right to know what was the motivation of that guy who is responsible for several deaths in my family.

Tolni,

Bulgarians collaborated with that guy as his allies, instead of getting murdered by him, unlike some people from my family.

Oh, yes. Some fun guy called Hitler decided that he needed to hit Yugoslavia and Greece, and he realised that all he had were two countries called Romania and Bulgaria. Well, what can you do, you do it with what you have.

And since, due to the rather unfortunate events in the 20-30s, i.e communists blowing churches and making rebellions and several right coups, nobody really could say "hey, how about the allies that also stole all our lands 20 years ago?".

To Tsar Boris III's credit, he postponed it to his very uneventful death, and only with the Germanophile regency we got, we remained neutral.
 
And, again, it's in completely the wrong place, Domen. What's with the dig at Bulgaria, too? Do you think that everyone is as strongly wedded to their nationality as you are?
Given that Domen has been banned because of his… unruly behaviour in other threads, perhaps we could try to diminish his post-banem influence?
 
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