OTR match, anyone?

I bomb SW England - I catch the corner of your 8th AF bomber stream on radar and am able to intercept it to good effect. Mayer's x2 rockets make for a good time!
 

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We took a bit of a pounding there...

Still looking for a first bombing success over Germany.
 

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Personally, I would not try to hit German targets until you have escorts. There's enough to hit in France by day to get you through for a bit until the better aircraft arrive.
 

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We took a bit of a pounding there...

Still looking for a first bombing success over Germany.

I think it was somewhere around turn 40 or 50 before I had a daylight bombing raid that hit the target and managed to get back mostly intact (night bombing got changed to the current flee into the night system after the early game). I believe that was simply because I threw so much stuff at the Rhur that the German fighters took reaction damage and couldn't come out again to fight the next wave. The scenario was changed in a few ways that might push the turning point a bit further into the future. The first half of the scenario does involve the Allies taking a beating in the air, the second half has the Germans being bombed to rubble.

Do your best, and try to trade your cheaper aircraft for the more expensive German models (watch out, 109s are half price when the Regensburg Critical Industry is active). P38s aren't great escorts, but have medium guns and can fly for 4 turns, so they can attack the German fighters that fly up to chew your bombers. I tried operating Spitfires from a carrier near the Netherlands, but I'm not sure how effective that was; I probably should have had more aircraft.
 
Thanks for the advice gents. There's a lot to take on board with this scenario but its gelling now I think and I'm having fun with it :)

He-111s downed in the Gower peninsula and some success with sub hunting.
 

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A few aircraft shot down at night and a convoy attacked but not destroyed.
 

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I take it I should leave my Ace B-17 crews sitting in their burning aircraft until they can be swapped into new B-17Gs or can I swap them into fresh B-17Fs?
 

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A few aircraft shot down. I noticed 2 of your task forces but couldn't damage either. Just remember those are the only ships you have to eventually launch Overlord, so don't let me kill all of them.
 

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A few aircraft shot down. I noticed 2 of your task forces but couldn't damage either. Just remember those are the only ships you have to eventually launch Overlord, so don't let me kill all of them.

Right you are - A case of me not fully digesting the readme again; I had assumed these units were convoy escorts / sub-hunters rather than invasion fleets. There are no destroyer flotilla or other sub-hunting surface fleets I take it?
 
No, but the convoys can attack. This scenario mostly represents the air war, so the Sunderlands are going to be your main weapon. Note, they "react" to subs (so if a sub calls up ammo near a Sunderland, it runs the risk of damage).
 
Got it. In light of my confusion with the units, I made these to make the various roles crystal clear.

naval task groups.png


Here's the save as well:
 

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More bombs fall on SW England. A convoy is sunk.

I'm heading off to the lake for a few hours with the wife and kids for mother's day. Will play later if you post a turn :)
 

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I take it I should leave my Ace B-17 crews sitting in their burning aircraft until they can be swapped into new B-17Gs or can I swap them into fresh B-17Fs?

Unlike all other aircraft types, you should have a decent number of veteran daytime bomber crews. Any B17 that is "damaged" (i.e. destroyed and replaced by the damaged aircraft) automatically gains veteran status. I typically put them in B24s, once I had those available, to take advantage of veteran status on the more powerful bombs. Of course, this depends on the ability of damaged planes to survive return trip. You're probably still a little far away from B24s, so I'd advise putting your crews into fresh B17s (they'll have to be full health and full movement to make the switch), and putting the veteran bombers in the centre of the formation, in order to use their more effective veteran bombs.

My advice for trying to get a few hurricanes to vet status is also partly because the fighter bombers can't get to high altitude, where most planes usually stay, so they have a hard time becoming veteran.

There are no destroyer flotilla or other sub-hunting surface fleets I take it?

That's right. In the first iteration of the game I tested, I spent large parts of my turn blindly moving around destroyers hoping to run into a submarine. Once you manage to clear the Atlantic, searching for submarines becomes extremely annoying. They could be there, and it costs nothing to search, so you should search, but deep down you know the German player has probably given up contesting convoy passage. With this system, a stray sub is unlikely to sink your convoy outright, so you can send it across, and simply counterattack with Sunderlands once the wolf pack reveals its location. Of course, in the early part of the game, you'll find it useful to take a more active role in anti submarine activities.
 
Right thanks for the info prof, I'll be transferring my aces to new B-17Fs when they're ready.

He-111s shot down over the Swansea. Those Nazis must really like the scenery of the Gower Peninsula.

Question for JP: Why is there a river going from Birmingham to the Wash on the East coast? Britain's rail network is centred around very strong connections between north and south on both the eastern and western sides of the country, and these are both interrupted by this river. Also, you don't have the River Severn (Britain's longest river).
 

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Because I suck at map making and Mercator is retired :)

Will be a bit before I can play.
 
:lol:

No worries, I have a zoom with relies for an hour or so at 8PM my time anyway
 
Some minor attacks on cities in SW England and a bomber shot down over the Ruhr.
 

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Fairly uneventful turn.

I'm in work from 7am tomorrow until late so I won't be able to play until evening.
 

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Pretty minor turn as well. Hitler is convinced to give political support to the Luftwaffe and a spending spree results. A convoy is destroyed and a Spitfire shot down. So is a bomber near the Ruhr.
 

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Lots of seat swapping of ace pilots.

How do I transfer trains to the night map?
 

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