Possible coup in Turkey

[muhtesem insan]

What makes you think there will be another one? Security will be up and Erdogan will be purging anyone who doesn't like him.

There were signs -which i as an ordinary citizens clearly could see- of a upcoming coup. And if i could see these signs this can not be a small groups' operation but a proper coup.

What i refer as a proper coup is that whole army take controls wtihout breaking chain of command. So if that happens, security will mean nothing.

 

[keli]

There were signs -which i as an ordinary citizens clearly could see- of a upcoming coup. And if i could see these signs this can not be a small groups' operation but a proper coup.

What i refer as a proper coup is that whole army take controls wtihout breaking chain of command. So if that happens, security will mean nothing.

Then why not just join this coup?

 

[muhtesem insan]

Then why not just join this coup?

As i said my previous posts this was a Gülenist coup. Kemalists hates gülen more than Erdoğan. (As a non-kemalist i agree with them on this point Gülen Movement is much more dangerous)

 

[Phrossack]

There were signs -which i as an ordinary citizens clearly could see- of a upcoming coup. And if i could see these signs this can not be a small groups' operation but a proper coup.

What i refer as a proper coup is that whole army take controls wtihout breaking chain of command. So if that happens, security will mean nothing.

Well, if coup plans are obvious even to an ordinary citizen, then wouldn't the government be fully aware of the threat to its power as well?

 

[muhtesem insan]

Well, if coup plans are obvious even to an ordinary citizen, then wouldn't the government be fully aware of the threat to its power as well?

Yes, i think his attitude change on foreign policy is mostly because of this. Because all successful coups in Turkey were backed by US. I believe he's trying to convince US that he could still be useful.

 

[Tahuti]

Well, if coup plans are obvious even to an ordinary citizen, then wouldn't the government be fully aware of the threat to its power as well?

Self-deceit. How many times did the CIA delude itself the US was safe before 9/11?

 

[muhtesem insan]

Erdoğan supporters are celebrating at streets atm. And i feel (do not think but feel inside) like this is the begining of "Islamic Revolution".

 

[muhtesem insan]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...y-have-failed-but-history-shows-a7140521.html

 

[Lillefix]

Good luck with the job in Prague...

 

[Commodore]

Erdoğan supporters are celebrating at streets atm. And i feel (do not think but feel inside) like this is the begining of "Islamic Revolution".

Which is a bad thing. The last thing the world needs is for the most secular Islamic nation in the region to start becoming more theocratic.

 

[muhtesem insan]

this is what anti coup demonstrations look like
https://twitter.com/RifatDogann/status/754406875035213824

 

[innonimatu]

As i said my previous posts this was a Gülenist coup. Kemalists hates gülen more than Erdoğan. (As a non-kemalist i agree with them on this point Gülen Movement is much more dangerous)

Finally a good explanation for all the weird things that happened with this coup.

It also made sense that they tried to capture Erdogan, I think the whole thing was doomed when that failed. They continued with the coup in the expectation that the broader military might feel compelled by circumstances (fear of being targeted by the government's reaction) to join in. I though that was a fair bet, wasn't counting on this being a move by another islamic organization.

There are important consequences to draw from the whole thing. One is that Erdogan's government is diplomatically isolated, no other government came forward to condemn the coup before it was clear that it was failing. Another is that the military are not keen on defending the government, so far it has a firm grasp only on the police and the intelligence services.
Now at least two top generals were already arrested. If the military are discussing a bigger coup, how will these arrests play into that? Can the government replace enough officers to prevent one, or is it only going to hasten it?

this is what anti coup demonstrations look like
https://twitter.com/RifatDogann/status/754406875035213824

I suspected from the angles of the published photos and the quotes from reporters ("thousands") that there was no mass pro-government movement, only relatively small crowds. People are not quite enthusiastic about it. It won't be another iranian revolution, this one is being commanded from above.

 

[emzie]

Can a Turk briefly explain what is dangerous about gulen movement?

 

[muhtesem insan]

I suspected from the angles of the published photos and the quotes from reporters ("thousands") that there was no mass pro-government movement, only relatively small crowds. People are not quite enthusiastic about it. It won't be another iranian revolution, this one is being commanded from above.

In turkey generally right wing do no attend to demonstrations. and these group are not part of large demonstrations in city squares. hundreds of small groups are walking in streets of istanbul.
Another example
https://twitter.com/botanistan/status/754265097938341888

 

[muhtesem insan]

Can a Turk briefly explain what is dangerous about gulen movement?

they're ultra religous elitist sect who created a leader cult after Fettullah Gülen, and they're organised in cellular structure. If they could succeed in coup it would be impossible to purge them from the system.
Erdoğan's movement on the other hand gets its power from mostly popular support, so it's only a matter of public opinion.

 

[jackelgull]

they're ultra religous elitist sect who created a leader cult after Fettullah Gülen, and they're organised in cellular structure. If they could succeed in coup it would be impossible to purge them from the system.
Erdoğan's movement on the other hand gets its power from mostly popular support, so it's only a matter of public opinion.

Had this coup not come along and strengthened Erdogan's regime in the eyes of the public, is it likely he'd have been voted out of office anyways? Or is he too popular/ too entrenched within the system to be voted out like that.

 

[muhtesem insan]

Had this coup not come along and strengthened Erdogan's regime in the eyes of the public, is it likely he'd have been voted out of office anyways? Or is he too popular/ too entrenched within the system to be voted out like that.

He's really popular right now but i don't see anytime soon that he'll loose this position. The problem is turkish electorate is mostly right wing and there's not any real opposition.
On right wing only opposition is Nationalist Movement Party which has fighting over leadership in party
The only other viable opposition is ironically most left party in parliment, Peoples' Democratic Party(HDP) (mainly a coalition movement including Kurdish movements, socialists, worker unions, non-muslim minorities (armenians...etc),LGTBI organisations...etc). Due to religious nature of Kurdish People Erdogan's AKP and HDP compete for Kurdish vote. But kurdish vote is not enough to topple AKP.

 

[Bootstoots]

I was traveling yesterday and didn't have access to the internet. Now that I do and know how badly the coup plotters failed, whenever I read or watch anything that covers the coup, I get Yakety Sax stuck in my head.

 

[Agent327]

Meanwhile in Turkey Mr Erdogan has immediately used the coup attempt to further crack down on judges - of which there were no reports of support for the coup attempt.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I was traveling yesterday and didn't have access to the internet. Now that I do and know how badly the coup plotters failed, whenever I read or watch anything that covers the coup, I get Yakety Sax stuck in my head.

That song literally makes everything funny.