So... reality ceases to exist because... "this is CFC OT"??
What?
Incorrect.
Nonsense. The overturning of Roe v. Wade isn't "irrelevant" regardless of whether people view it as "bad" or not. There are plenty of US voters who view the overturning of Roe as a good thing and plenty who view it as a bad thing. Saying that its "irrelevant" is just wrong.
Irrelevant, or you're not understanding the point I'm making. Either way I've said it enough times, so I guess maybe you're doing the bit on purpose? Or you really don't get how adding and removing words changes the meaning in a sentence. What's the more charitable assumption for me to make?
You're twisting yourself into ridiculous illogical pretzels trying to "win" the discussion... and for no reason.
Incorrect.
I'm not your adversary and I keep declining the role of your adversary.
Never said you were, not creating said role for you.
What I am interested in here is reasons Democratically inclined voters reject Biden/Democrats and analysis of the O'Donell segment/position.
Then you should listen to someone who is both progressive and would vote, however tactically, for the Democrats in the US if he lived there. Much like Lexicus and others, who actually live there. Your continual choice not to, to deflect, ignore and otherwise cherrypick words out of a sentence, is entirely yours.
As I've said above, the notion that "consequences are immaterial" is nonsense, however... Huh?
"They're relevant when discussing the US"?? What??
You just said "consequences are irrelevant". Now they're relevant?
Make up your mind.
Like I said above, it seems that either you're doing this as a bit, or you genuinely don't understand how two sentences with different words in changes the meaning of those sentences.
The title of the thread is "Republican Bidens and the Failure of the Democratic Party". It doesn't get more "US" than that. As I've noted repeatedly, your UK grievances are not what I am focused on here and I reject the role of the adversary in your UK-based beefs.
And?
What are you even saying here? That because I'm from the UK, I can't make a point? That because this thread is about US political subjects, they can't be extrapolated out to more general progressive-vs-centrist issues that crop up across a bunch of Western (ostensibly) democratic nations?
All you have is this browbeating form of attack. Voters are responsible for Republican policies. I'm "twisting myself into pretzels". Attack, attack, attack. No understanding! And yet you professed understanding right at the start. Kinda makes me feel that really is the issue here. You
think you understand, but you only understand so far as it serves to reinforce your biases r.e. how if progressives had simply voted more / better / harder, Republicans couldn't do what they're doing. Note the difference between "trying to make someone vote a specific way" (which you're not) and "complaining that they voted a specific way which caused a specific result" (which you are).