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Sorry guys, I have just been swamped this week. It's late her so will play in the morning. Sorry about the delay, poor form in your own SG 
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Turn 3 (continued...)
After team discussion I decided not to pull the trigger on trades with either the mongols, or Portugal.
Instead we dial up China and make Peace for Physics + 9gp (that is actually at Price, they had much more cash but the razing of Tienstin obviously took us to just enough to get Physics in peace. We are able to set Lux tax to 0%
China is still up ToG and Magnetism (obviously) in required techs
Mongols are up Magnetism.
Found New Delft.
I switch all our Cavalry builds to banks, we should have enough horsepower (get it ) to take out Korea without any additions, plus the banks will help us with the steals that we will need in the future.
Start repositioning troops for a Korean War.
IBT - Korea declares on Portugal.
Turn 4: The Hague: Harbor --> 'duct.
We get WLTKD across the empire.
IBT - zzz
Turn 5: Moving troops into position. Rush a settler in New Eindhoven.
IBT - Chinese and Korean troops clash.
Turn 6: Found New Breda to claim Dyes. Declare War on Korea. I can't use an Alliance with anyone to buy techs unfortunately
We have 7 Cavalry attack Namp'o this turn. The first wins but is redlined, (23-0), the second wins for the loss of 1hp (24-0), the third retreats without scratching. The fourth charges in, kills another musket and Namp'o is ours! (25-0)
2 armies move toward Wonsan.
IBT - The number of troops China is sending into Korean territory... they are far from gassed. Mongols enter the IA. Damn.
Turn 7: We set Namp'o for starvation. Our cav army at Wonsan kills 2 muskets, then our Knight army kills a spearman and a longbow (29-0).
Decide to try a careful steal from Babylon (least problem if it doesn't work out...) and succeed. Steal ToG
I realise at this point that our turns aren't right... so looks like I'll play one less turn than I otherwise would in order to balance this out.
IBT - zzz
Turn 8: Found New Leiden and New Den Helder. Kill a spear and a longbow at Wonsan and capture Wonsan
IBT - zzz
Turn 9: Move 2 armies toward Korea's last city. Rush a library at New Leiden.
Alright here is the hand-over save.
I apologise profusely for my tardiness in getting these turns played, and also to CKS for the sloppiness of the save at hand over. I haven't done any mm and I'm sure our core can be optimised more. I have just been swamped with Uni assignments and I'm coming into exam block now, I may need a skip next round.
Our troops are also a little all over the shop as the Korean war has been such a side thought. We should have the power to take it to the Mongols as soon as we are done with Korea, but troops might need a little repositioning. As soon as the banks in the core are done those cities should go back on Cav production, I have Amsterdam on Army duty at the moment.
Good luck CKS!
After team discussion I decided not to pull the trigger on trades with either the mongols, or Portugal.
Instead we dial up China and make Peace for Physics + 9gp (that is actually at Price, they had much more cash but the razing of Tienstin obviously took us to just enough to get Physics in peace. We are able to set Lux tax to 0%
China is still up ToG and Magnetism (obviously) in required techs
Mongols are up Magnetism.
Found New Delft.
I switch all our Cavalry builds to banks, we should have enough horsepower (get it
) to take out Korea without any additions, plus the banks will help us with the steals that we will need in the future.Start repositioning troops for a Korean War.
IBT - Korea declares on Portugal.
Turn 4: The Hague: Harbor --> 'duct.
We get WLTKD across the empire.
IBT - zzz
Turn 5: Moving troops into position. Rush a settler in New Eindhoven.
IBT - Chinese and Korean troops clash.
Turn 6: Found New Breda to claim Dyes. Declare War on Korea. I can't use an Alliance with anyone to buy techs unfortunately
We have 7 Cavalry attack Namp'o this turn. The first wins but is redlined, (23-0), the second wins for the loss of 1hp (24-0), the third retreats without scratching. The fourth charges in, kills another musket and Namp'o is ours! (25-0)
2 armies move toward Wonsan.
IBT - The number of troops China is sending into Korean territory... they are far from gassed. Mongols enter the IA. Damn.
Turn 7: We set Namp'o for starvation. Our cav army at Wonsan kills 2 muskets, then our Knight army kills a spearman and a longbow (29-0).
Decide to try a careful steal from Babylon (least problem if it doesn't work out...) and succeed. Steal ToG
I realise at this point that our turns aren't right... so looks like I'll play one less turn than I otherwise would in order to balance this out.
IBT - zzz
Turn 8: Found New Leiden and New Den Helder. Kill a spear and a longbow at Wonsan and capture Wonsan
IBT - zzz
Turn 9: Move 2 armies toward Korea's last city. Rush a library at New Leiden.
Alright here is the hand-over save.
I apologise profusely for my tardiness in getting these turns played, and also to CKS for the sloppiness of the save at hand over. I haven't done any mm and I'm sure our core can be optimised more. I have just been swamped with Uni assignments and I'm coming into exam block now, I may need a skip next round.
Our troops are also a little all over the shop as the Korean war has been such a side thought. We should have the power to take it to the Mongols as soon as we are done with Korea, but troops might need a little repositioning. As soon as the banks in the core are done those cities should go back on Cav production, I have Amsterdam on Army duty at the moment.
Good luck CKS!
Here is the save. Despite one catastrophic IBT we have made good progress on the Mongols. We are short on cavs, as I lost a bunch and I put a 4th cav in some armies. Amsterdam should build a few more cavs and then go back to armies. Remember that we can cash rush armies. I've done some rushing, which I neglected to log. We need to starve Baruun-Urt down and make peace for it before we kill off all of the continental cities.
Turn 0:
MM a bit. Swap some cannon builds to markets. Switch Amsterdam from army to the Pentagon. Evacuate Wonsan and Namp'o due to flip risk.
IBT: The Hague bank to caravel, Utrecht bank to caravel, Holwerd bank to caravel, New Leiden library to worker. Lisbon build Universal Suffrage.
We need ships to starve Baruun-Urt, so we can get it in a peace deal. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the Mongols forever.
Turn 1:
We are blocked from Pusan, so move into position. Build New Harlingen, start worker. Troop movements.
IBT: Portuguese redline two Korean muskets, Chinese kill one of them and one other musket, Koreans move a longbow out of Pusan. Spice city settler to settler, New Amsterdam cannon to settler.
Turn 2:
Knight army kills musket, spear, takes Pusan, three workers, treb. Huge flip risk to Mongols. Move troops to kill resistance in Wonsan, Namp'o. (2/2)
IBT:
Delft market to cav.
Turn 3:
Sell harbor in Namp'o, sell maps. Want to steal magnetism so we can build frigates instead of caravels; have enough money for a careful steal from Mongols after selling stuff. If we get it, good. If we don't, we are going to war anyway. I want to ally the Chinese against them, as they are currently only at war with Babylon.
Steal fails, Mongols do not declare, so I do. Bribe China for ivory + 14 gpt. Cav 2/4 kills vet Keshik. Vet cav 4/5 kills vet keshik. Cav army kills 4/4 keshik. 11/13 cav army kills 5/5 keshik, 4/4 keshik. Vet cav 4/5 kills 4/4 keshik, takes worker. Build New Lauersoog. Cav army kills 2 muskets at Dalandzadgad, razes it. Cav takes 2 workers. Swap Dordrecht to settler. (10/10) Left stack of cav uncovered by army when I miscount steps.
IBT: Portugal and Babylon sign peace. 2 lux deals with Portugal come due, I renew one.
Lots of keshik attacks, lost track of them. We got a leader, which died. (about 15/23)
Turn 4:
Army kills keshik, musket. Build New Enschede. Cav army kills 2 muskets and a pike but retreats from MDI, knight army kills 2 spears and a MDI, cav retreats from MDI, cav kills longbow, razes city. Cav 4/4 kills 5/5 keshik. Give Pusan to China rather than lose it to Mongols. Cav army kills 2 keshiks, knight army kills 1 keshik. Cav kills pike at Darhan. Cav /2/4 kills spear. (About 31/39)
Build New Tilburg. Rush cav in Wonsan.
IBT: 5 keshik attacks on 3 cavs lead to 2 dead cavs, 2 dead keshiks, and one retreated cav. (About 33/43) China still holds Pusan, due to Mongol incompetence, but the China-Mongol war took some of the heat off of us. Lots of Mongol units dinged by army ZOC.
Turn 5:
Trade Americans physics for navigation + 10 gpt.
Cav army kills spear, 2 keshiks, 1 longbow. 4/4 cav dies to 2/4 keshik on grass. Trade spices to China for 9 gpt to avoid demand. (About 37/48)
IBT:
Idiot Mongols suicide against Chinese.
Turn 6:
E cav 5/5 kills 5/5 keshik. Chinese block the path for the second turn, so our reinforcements won't arrive in time; we'll probably lose a knight army. (38/49)
IBT: Portuguese declare on Americans. Babylon has lost silks, so can't continue to trade them to us. I up the lux to 10%. Lose knight army, treb, 2 workers. LB dies attacking cav. (39/51)
Turn 7:
Cav army kills 2 spears, MDI kills spear, razes Darhan. 3/4 cav kills 2/5 keshik. 1/4 cav kills 3/4 spear. Build New Zwolle. 5/5 cav kills 2/4 musket. Trade saltpeter plus spices to portugal for wines and incense. Unhappy about this trade, but we have unhappy people. (45/57)
IBT:
2x keshik kills cav. One keshik lands near Amsterdam. Pentagon completes. (45/59)
Turn 8:
MDI kills keshik by Amsterdam. Knight army kills keshik, longbow. (48/62)
IBT:
Movement
Turn 9:
Cav army kills 3 pikes at Hovd. Cav army kills 3 muskets and a pike in a pillaging stack - we don't have enough random units to easily cover, so I'm going to kill some. Cav army kills 3 spears. Vet cav kills spear, promotes to 5/5. Elite cav 4/5 kills spear. MDI 3/4 kills spear. Vet MDI kills spear, promotes to 5/5. (62/76)
IBT:
Stupid motion by Mongols - they break up their other pillaging stack - now only spears visible.
Turn 10:
Cav army kills pike, cav kills spear, cav retreats from longbow, cav kills longbow, razes Hovd. Knight army kills spear, pike, longbow. Cav army kills pike, pike. Cav army kills pike, razes Almarikh. 3x cav kills spear. 1/5 MDI kills spear. Build New Hilversum. (75/89)
A few units have movement left. I'm out of time for today, though, so I'll let Del62 have it.
Turn 0:
MM a bit. Swap some cannon builds to markets. Switch Amsterdam from army to the Pentagon. Evacuate Wonsan and Namp'o due to flip risk.
IBT: The Hague bank to caravel, Utrecht bank to caravel, Holwerd bank to caravel, New Leiden library to worker. Lisbon build Universal Suffrage.
We need ships to starve Baruun-Urt, so we can get it in a peace deal. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the Mongols forever.
Turn 1:
We are blocked from Pusan, so move into position. Build New Harlingen, start worker. Troop movements.
IBT: Portuguese redline two Korean muskets, Chinese kill one of them and one other musket, Koreans move a longbow out of Pusan. Spice city settler to settler, New Amsterdam cannon to settler.
Turn 2:
Knight army kills musket, spear, takes Pusan, three workers, treb. Huge flip risk to Mongols. Move troops to kill resistance in Wonsan, Namp'o. (2/2)
IBT:
Delft market to cav.
Turn 3:
Sell harbor in Namp'o, sell maps. Want to steal magnetism so we can build frigates instead of caravels; have enough money for a careful steal from Mongols after selling stuff. If we get it, good. If we don't, we are going to war anyway. I want to ally the Chinese against them, as they are currently only at war with Babylon.
Steal fails, Mongols do not declare, so I do. Bribe China for ivory + 14 gpt. Cav 2/4 kills vet Keshik. Vet cav 4/5 kills vet keshik. Cav army kills 4/4 keshik. 11/13 cav army kills 5/5 keshik, 4/4 keshik. Vet cav 4/5 kills 4/4 keshik, takes worker. Build New Lauersoog. Cav army kills 2 muskets at Dalandzadgad, razes it. Cav takes 2 workers. Swap Dordrecht to settler. (10/10) Left stack of cav uncovered by army when I miscount steps.
IBT: Portugal and Babylon sign peace. 2 lux deals with Portugal come due, I renew one.
Lots of keshik attacks, lost track of them. We got a leader, which died. (about 15/23)
Turn 4:
Army kills keshik, musket. Build New Enschede. Cav army kills 2 muskets and a pike but retreats from MDI, knight army kills 2 spears and a MDI, cav retreats from MDI, cav kills longbow, razes city. Cav 4/4 kills 5/5 keshik. Give Pusan to China rather than lose it to Mongols. Cav army kills 2 keshiks, knight army kills 1 keshik. Cav kills pike at Darhan. Cav /2/4 kills spear. (About 31/39)
Build New Tilburg. Rush cav in Wonsan.
IBT: 5 keshik attacks on 3 cavs lead to 2 dead cavs, 2 dead keshiks, and one retreated cav. (About 33/43) China still holds Pusan, due to Mongol incompetence, but the China-Mongol war took some of the heat off of us. Lots of Mongol units dinged by army ZOC.
Turn 5:
Trade Americans physics for navigation + 10 gpt.
Cav army kills spear, 2 keshiks, 1 longbow. 4/4 cav dies to 2/4 keshik on grass. Trade spices to China for 9 gpt to avoid demand. (About 37/48)
IBT:
Idiot Mongols suicide against Chinese.
Turn 6:
E cav 5/5 kills 5/5 keshik. Chinese block the path for the second turn, so our reinforcements won't arrive in time; we'll probably lose a knight army. (38/49)
IBT: Portuguese declare on Americans. Babylon has lost silks, so can't continue to trade them to us. I up the lux to 10%. Lose knight army, treb, 2 workers. LB dies attacking cav. (39/51)
Turn 7:
Cav army kills 2 spears, MDI kills spear, razes Darhan. 3/4 cav kills 2/5 keshik. 1/4 cav kills 3/4 spear. Build New Zwolle. 5/5 cav kills 2/4 musket. Trade saltpeter plus spices to portugal for wines and incense. Unhappy about this trade, but we have unhappy people. (45/57)
IBT:
2x keshik kills cav. One keshik lands near Amsterdam. Pentagon completes. (45/59)
Turn 8:
MDI kills keshik by Amsterdam. Knight army kills keshik, longbow. (48/62)
IBT:
Movement
Turn 9:
Cav army kills 3 pikes at Hovd. Cav army kills 3 muskets and a pike in a pillaging stack - we don't have enough random units to easily cover, so I'm going to kill some. Cav army kills 3 spears. Vet cav kills spear, promotes to 5/5. Elite cav 4/5 kills spear. MDI 3/4 kills spear. Vet MDI kills spear, promotes to 5/5. (62/76)
IBT:
Stupid motion by Mongols - they break up their other pillaging stack - now only spears visible.
Turn 10:
Cav army kills pike, cav kills spear, cav retreats from longbow, cav kills longbow, razes Hovd. Knight army kills spear, pike, longbow. Cav army kills pike, pike. Cav army kills pike, razes Almarikh. 3x cav kills spear. 1/5 MDI kills spear. Build New Hilversum. (75/89)
A few units have movement left. I'm out of time for today, though, so I'll let Del62 have it.
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OK got it , Ill have a look tomorrow
del62
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Right I have played to 1010AD and the mongols are basically cooked, I decided to self research magnetism and have a decision to make. Do I research steam (12 turns) or save up cash and attempt to steal it of Babylon, I have no options for now in peace treaties for 14 turns,
Turn Log so far
I have put an interim save in for you do look at
Turn Log so far
Spoiler :
I have put an interim save in for you do look at
I think we get more out of our commerce if we run it through marketplaces, banks and stock exchanges. It's a little late to build libraries and universities, so I think we should stick to using the financial improvements that we already have.
del62
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Rest of set
Hand off notes, I chose to self research steam, we can start stealing once we have steam, but we need to get safely to steam, due to our rep loss when the now defunct Incans collapsed we cant buy techs for gpt.
I have a few settlers moving down to old mongol territory, in 3 turns we can make peace with the mongols easing our war weariness and thus are need to import luxuries and high prices, 3 turns after that we will get steam, it may even be possible to pull it in by one turn but I have a lot of scientists out there
On another note, when I took this one on we had a lot of corrupt towns with no specialists some even working mountains, we need to use these for specialists, we really should concentrate on working tiles with 3 food in for these towns and cities. We can probably squeeze a few more farms, there is also and area where the majority of workers are in which some mines should be irrigated, mines should be kept to our non corrupt cities.
Spoiler :
Hand off notes, I chose to self research steam, we can start stealing once we have steam, but we need to get safely to steam, due to our rep loss when the now defunct Incans collapsed we cant buy techs for gpt.
I have a few settlers moving down to old mongol territory, in 3 turns we can make peace with the mongols easing our war weariness and thus are need to import luxuries and high prices, 3 turns after that we will get steam, it may even be possible to pull it in by one turn but I have a lot of scientists out there
On another note, when I took this one on we had a lot of corrupt towns with no specialists some even working mountains, we need to use these for specialists, we really should concentrate on working tiles with 3 food in for these towns and cities. We can probably squeeze a few more farms, there is also and area where the majority of workers are in which some mines should be irrigated, mines should be kept to our non corrupt cities.
I'm thinking we might not want to let the Mongols survive longer that 20 rounds because of the UN. The Chinese have 11 cities, all on our continent, so they should be eliminated in the turnset after me. I think apart from New Delft I'll cancel your temple builds. I intend to start war immediately once trade expires with China and only Delft will make a difference.
Goals:
Settle Mongol territory and make peace
Start the war with China in 5 turns when trade expires
Optimize tax farms, noticing a lot of irrigated grass lands that are not being used for lack of cities
I looked at the save, and got it. Not sure when I get to play, but it looks fairly straightforward.
Don't think it'll happen in my turnset, but we need to make sure we can eliminate the Mongols as soon as the peace deal expires. I'll have some boats ready just in case they get bought into a war with us by China.
Goals:
Settle Mongol territory and make peace
Start the war with China in 5 turns when trade expires
Optimize tax farms, noticing a lot of irrigated grass lands that are not being used for lack of cities
I looked at the save, and got it. Not sure when I get to play, but it looks fairly straightforward.
Don't think it'll happen in my turnset, but we need to make sure we can eliminate the Mongols as soon as the peace deal expires. I'll have some boats ready just in case they get bought into a war with us by China.
del62
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Unfortunatley the mongols capital is now a single tile island, so we cant get rid of them till marines
Also I would keep the 3 size cavalry armies at that size so they can be shipped to the other continent for pillaging the portugese
Also I would keep the 3 size cavalry armies at that size so they can be shipped to the other continent for pillaging the portugese
Right, good point, ohh well. If it does come to a UN vote, it'll be easy to secure their vote. Still it is something we should keep in mind. I would hate to see us throw this game due to a diplomacy loss.
4 size armies are overrated anyway in my opinion. I only make them if I have more troops than I need. If you put four cavalry in an army, you lose one attack. Generally I like to keep to the rule that, if I find myself lacking units to attack enemy units that were bombarded, I shouldn't make 4 size armies. 4 size armies survive better, but when stretched thin it's better to have a 3 size cavalry army and a seperate cavalry unit that can also make an attack.
Bowsling
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Lurker's Comment: The issue with that though, is that a cavalry army has four moves, and blitz. An army of four, if you're attacking riflemen or musketmen, can attack more times before it's below the threshold where you don't attack.
Than again, if it's a defensive army, three is enough, unless you are really far behind.
Than again, if it's a defensive army, three is enough, unless you are really far behind.
Size 4 cav armies attack at 12, while size 3 cav armies attack at 10, so having some 4-cav armies is useful for attacking cities. Plus, as Bowsling suggests, against modern units a size 3 cav army won't be able to make four attacks anyway and a single cav against a rifle in a city won't do so well.
I do wish we'd remembered to arrange things so we'd get the 1-tile island in the peace deal, as I suggested we needed to do.
I do wish we'd remembered to arrange things so we'd get the 1-tile island in the peace deal, as I suggested we needed to do.
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