[1.0.0.194] Start Locations Bug

[blackbutterfly]

Unbalanced civ spawns on maps.

Game save is from a huge map of Africa - Scrambled Africa - which you will need (mod/map) to load. But on this map there is plenty of space as you can see but Japan and Macedon spawn on each other's doorstep.



WORKAROUND: Install this hotfix mod to revert to previous civ spawning →
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/assignstartingplots-lua-from-v-1-0-0-167.623581/

Also there are two fixes (mods) on Steam →
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1179231808
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1178781732

 

[UglyBoy]

I have posted another fix for the issue here: https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/fall-2017-start-position-fix.26509/

I think it fixes it rather than reverts the changes made by Firaxis.

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

This bug also has another consequence... if City states spawn really close to each other, one or more may not ever Settle and will forever be a phantom state.

BTW, I have two games now where FOUR civs spawned within 10 tiles of each other.... yikes.

 

[blackbutterfly]

This bug also has another consequence... if City states spawn really close to each other, one or more may not ever Settle and will forever be a phantom state.

I still haven't experienced the "phantom state" on any map scripts but so far from what i've seen, 3/4 maps appear unbalanced to me. Yes, there is greater distance to neighbouring civs (so the Warrior/Archer Rush is much harder if not totally ineffective) but many AI civs will have poor starts. Very, very disappointing, Firaxis.

 

[blackbutterfly]

UPDATE: 2K/Firaxis have released a hotfix/update for this → http://steamcommunity.com/games/289070/announcements/detail/1461843851752646164

 

[blackbutterfly]

Report: there is improvement in civ spawning. But 1/20 maps will still produce the bug ->

 

[BWS]

The hotfix does basically the same thing as UglyBoy's Fall 2017 Start Position Fix, which does resolve one of the big problems with the original version, but it still does not correctly handle polar snow starts, civs too close together, mountain traps, and stuff like that.

 

[blackbutterfly]

...but it still does not correctly handle polar snow starts, civs too close together, mountain traps, and stuff like that.

 

[Cerilis]

Report: there is improvement in civ spawning. But 1/20 maps will still produce the bug ->

omg, that map looks beautiful though, is it a mod?

 

[Cerilis]

Can confirm, still buggy. I have never used any mods. Settler starting location was the tile between the stone, rice and 2 silks, within 3 tiles of Buenos Aires.

 

[blackbutterfly]

omg, that map looks beautiful though, is it a mod?

Yes. That is Scrambled North America → https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=931053823

 

[BWS]

My Caps Lock mod fixes more of the major problems, like civ spacing and snow starts. It also makes things like mountain traps less likely, although I a still tuning that part of the code. I have been collecting test cases, so please feel free to send me map seeds when you find problems. (Please send the map settings & mods used along with map seeds.)

 

[dbrickma]

Still happening: this start from yesterday...

Civ6Screen0001

• dbrickma
• Nov 22, 2017

The save file:
TRAJAN 1 4000 BC.Civ6Save

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

Yeah, same thing happened to me yesterday as RUssia... Gorgo's settler was right there in taking distance.

 

[Greasy Dave]

I bought the game yesterday. It happened on my second spawn?! Today, after posting in general discussion, I turned off the three mods I was using, verified my cache and did twelve random restarts on a standard continents map. The sixth start reproduced the bug - I think with a Civ state settler (see the screenshot). Trying to decide if I'm going to ask for a steam refund.
Sorry I don't have the saves...didn't realise it would be useful

 

[blackbutterfly]

Sorry I don't have the saves...didn't realise it would be useful

Don't sweat it. This, the "Start Locations" bug (so called after I posted this on Bug Reports) is probably the most well known bug of Civ VI with almost half a dozen mods/fixes on the workshop and the only one Firaxis shipped a hotfix for.

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

.... the only one Firaxis shipped a hotfix for.

... that still doesn't work

 

[TheSharp]

Any updates on this? I just started in the south pole....

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

It is still bugged. HEre are just a few of my start positions from last week....

 

[blackbutterfly]

Yeah. There maybe some improvement but it is still horked. It's worse on non-standard modded maps (like mine).

So I'm playing TSL maps in the meantime cos it bypasses the whole start locations logic.