(1-VT) Add unique names for Great Prophets

balparmak · Oct 11, 2022

Great Prophets are the only GP lacking unique names. It's not a big issue, but adding them would help with flavor & polishing. I searched the forum about this but couldn't really find a reason why they weren't added along with More GP modmod, I can't see any other reason than sensitivy to religious figures. If the community or developers don't veto it, I propose adding them through the integration of Tomatekh's Historical Great Prophet Names* mod, the list can be modified through the feedback of historically inclined populi. New GP names will be placed in the "modular elements" folder, allowing people to easily disable it if they are offended.
I sponsor this.

edit: I searched poorly, @Gazebo rejected this in 2015. Does the veto still hold, or should it go to the community vote?

*Tomatekh provides open permissions when credited.

Here's the list:

Spoiler Names :

CppMaster · Oct 11, 2022

Sure, why not. Gazebo haven't provided any reason to refuse it.

notaspambot · Oct 11, 2022

I'd rather not go there. Frankly, it'd leave me in bad taste, much more so than other GP, to be forced to use certain figures as my Great Prophet.

CppMaster · Oct 11, 2022

notaspambot said:
I'd rather not go there. Frankly, it'd leave me in bad taste, much more so than other GP, to be forced to use certain figures as my Great Prophet.

Hence:

balparmak said:
New GP names will be placed in the "modular elements" folder, allowing people to easily disable it if they are offended.

Recursive · Oct 11, 2022

I personally don't care, but I'm a militant atheist who couldn't care less about religious sensitivities, so I'd recommend getting the opinion of someone more compassionate than I.

Containing content which is significantly offensive to people could be beyond the scope of the mod, but I'm honestly not informed enough to know whether that's the case.

I do note the presence of Muhammad in the list, and we've all heard the stories about that.

@Gazebo Do you still have an objection to this? I defer to you.

Anyone else is welcome to weigh in as well.

Delvemor · Oct 11, 2022

Is that a list of prophets per say or more a list of remarkable people who had a major impact spiritually in their community? I took a random person in there, Zhu Xi, who is apparently a Chinese philosopher who was proning neo-Confusianism. Not sure why someone should be offended by that in their Great Prophet in the game, but I'm not a religious person.

Tekamthi · Oct 11, 2022

I like it!

That said, isn't there already a mod that does this? I swear I've used this with VP in the past. iirc there is also one that expands the list of religious denominations considerably, and this seems to work well too: Maybe consider these all at once for plurality's sake. This is probably best response to cultural sensitivities imo. Or just leave it as a modmod, perhaps updated to be optimized for VP.

On the topic of sensitivities, I think its fair to allow community to request certain names be removed from VP's default list, if this proposal is implemented; and not to necessarily require strict majorities for this. For example, and as mentioned above, there is one name on that list that I don't wanna touch, historical accuracy notwithstanding. I have no connection to it personally, but I am aware some may be unhappy about "worship of idols" etc., whether I believe in this or not. Best to leave that one to modmods and not VP main branch.

CppMaster · Oct 11, 2022

Recursive said:
I do note the presence of Muhammad in the list, and we've all heard the stories about that.

You mean the South Park episode?

Recursive · Oct 11, 2022

CppMaster said:
You mean the South Park episode?

Among more depressing things such as the Charlie Hebdo shooting, but yes.

Legen · Oct 11, 2022

I'm not religious, but I know some people get offended or start heated discussions easily when it comes to religions. I like the idea, but I think it is best left as a modmod.

Recursive · Oct 11, 2022

Tekamthi said:
On the topic of sensitivities, I think its fair to allow community to request certain names be removed from VP's default list, if this proposal is implemented; and not to necessarily require strict majorities for this. For example, and as mentioned above, there is one name on that list that I don't wanna touch, historical accuracy notwithstanding. I have no connection to it personally, but I am aware some may be unhappy about "worship of idols" etc., whether I believe in this or not. Best to leave that one to modmods and not VP main branch.

The problem with this is that it becomes an unfair whack-a-mole game of who so-and-so finds offensive. I personally don't care (beyond not wanting, say, Gazebo's workplace to be shot up by some lunatic), but if it's going to cause a problem, I think it's best to leave it as a modmod.

Gazebo · Oct 13, 2022

I say no. If people want it, they can make a mod for it. Its just not our thing.

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balparmak · Oct 13, 2022

Understandable, I'm retracting the proposal then @Recursive

Recursive · Oct 14, 2022

Proposal vetoed.

Reason: Out of scope for Vox Populi.

(1-VT) Add unique names for Great Prophets

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