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[Kael]

If we take the world map that came with Civ4 and input your calculations then we can find the relative location of the afterlife in the real world.

Brilliant, Olleus!

According to my calculation this comes out to be..... Detroit Michigan..... Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Meffy]

:-D !
six seven eight nine ten

 

[Yuri2356]

I do not care to speculate upon the nature of that row and that column, but metaphysicist specialists within the Civ universe might find it profitable to consider.

That's where the various gods live.

 

[Meffy]

There is but one god of Civ, and it is the RNG! ;-)

 

[A Silly Goose]

Wouldn't the gods of Civ rather be the development team? They're the ones who take the digital equivalents of protons and electrons (that'd be 1's and 0's), and build all the laws of cyber-nature in the Civilization IV digital space-time continuum... Which I suppose would make Sid Meier the Zeus or Odin of the Civilization IV Pantheon of the Gods.

...Man, I need a life.

 

[bancki]

What is this flying camera thing?

 

[Vonreuter]

Now they've located the hex of afterlife?

Only a few years ago, we were still wondering whether ships going too far to the west or the east would fall of the edge of the game board...

Still, one question remains unanswered, despite our brave explorers: What lies behind those icy regions to the north and the south? Ships cannot go around the world to the north or the south, and no satellite can see beyond the ice belt!

Therefore, I argue that the possibility that the world is donut shaped still exists!

 

[BigBirdZ28]

how did you get the flat map thingie, that's pretty cool.

 

[Meffy]

Wouldn't the gods of Civ rather be the development team?

How about we make them either demigods or devils, depending on the individual player's inclination? :-D

 

[Palantir30]

How about we make them either demigods or devils, depending on the individual player's inclination? :-D

They're definitely demigods- sub deities created and empowered by a primary deity (Sid).

Devils would only be those sub deities that deviated from the Project Plan and/or switched and work for another development studio.

 

[Meffy]

They've been demonized in other threads though. =^_^=

 

[Bushface]

Surely the negative sign in the coordinates must have a philosophical basis, and the stated square must represent Hell. Heaven, on the other hand, will be at +(2^31-1), +(2^31-1). But no doubt future researchers will extend the Civ universe to (2^63-1) or further. To quote Buzz Lightyear "To infinity - and beyond !"
Yes, I want to go to Heaven. But not yet.

 

[Meffy]

/me considers going into that whole D&D two-dimensional alignment thing... and decides to leave that can of nagas unopened.

 

[Palantir30]

the only problem is that i only have the x and y coordinates. And as the universe is 3d we need another coordinate. Unless that is heaven/hell is on an infinitely long line in space.

First, your infinitely long line...is only one dimension. X and Y coordinates give you two dimensions to start with, and they describe a plane not a line.

Also, but which universe are you talking about? The Civ universe is clearly 2D. (Curious; that: 3d graphics residing in a 2D universe...) while our universe is thought to contain anything from 4 to 7,10,18 or 56 dimensions, depending on whose theory we're using this week. I dont know of any serious cosmologists who believe our universe is only 3D.

Also, your infinitely long line...is only one dimension. X and Y coordinates give you two dimensions to start with, and they describe a plane not a line.

 

[Danghis Khan]

Which is interesting, because the range of values a signed long can hold goes from -2,147,483,648 to +2,147,483,647, yet the "flag" coordinate value is -2,147,483,647. Meaning the honored dead are not at the corner of the universe -- there's one row and one column of (imagined) tiles past the heaven/hades/valhalla tile.

I do not care to speculate upon the nature of that row and that column, but metaphysicist specialists within the Civ universe might find it profitable to consider.

So what implications does this have for the 7 religions in the game. I'm thinking that with an extra row of tiles perhaps the message of the game is that Buddism is the true path, and that only those units that acheive enlightenment may escape the rendered universe and acheive nirvana.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Surely the negative sign in the coordinates must have a philosophical basis, and the stated square must represent Hell. Heaven, on the other hand, will be at +(2^31-1), +(2^31-1). But no doubt future researchers will extend the Civ universe to (2^63-1) or further. To quote Buzz Lightyear "To infinity - and beyond !"
Yes, I want to go to Heaven. But not yet.

Maybe there is no heaven? From what you just said it sounds like we all meet in hell.

 

[Meffy]

Dan: Could be. Or maybe the extra row and column are intimations of religions yet unimplemented... Zoroastrianism... Jainism... the Church of the Subgenius... Midwestern high school football... chili cooking... who knows?

 

[Bushface]

Join the religion to which I adhere - Unreformed Agnosticism ! Wasn't it Voltaire whose last words were reputed to be "Oh, my god, if there is one, save my soul, if I have one."
On the other hand, Albert Schweitzer replied to the question "Why do you think there is a god ?" replied "I don't think. I know.". And pay due attention to the punctuation in his reply.

 

[Zombie69]

First, your infinitely long line...is only one dimension. X and Y coordinates give you two dimensions to start with, and they describe a plane not a line.

You didn't understand his point. In our 3D world, the coordinates given in this thread give two of the three coordinates. Therefore heaven and hell would be on every point along an infinite line that fits both these two coordinates.

 

[Palantir30]

You didn't understand his point. In our 3D world, the coordinates given in this thread give two of the three coordinates. Therefore heaven and hell would be on every point along an infinite line that fits both these two coordinates.

Well, it's possible that you're privy to more information than he put into his point, but what he said doesnt precisely mean what you said. I rather believe you didnt read what I wrote and digest it fully.

We have only one point, an x,y pair. That single point is inside a 2D world, not a 3D world. The Civ world is only 2D because every location is described by x,y pairs, therefore describing a planar universe.

He said that since our world is 3D, we need another point. As I said before, our world isnt 3D. As I just repeated, the Civ world isnt 3D. So we dont need a third coordinate to locate a point in space under these conditions. Either a third coordinate is insufficient or it's imaginary and meaningless. So, then we must proceed to the 'unless' clause in his sentence which I quoted. That clause states that one point describes an infinite line in 3D space. Again, we're not in 3D space, no matter which universe we're talking about. However no matter whether we are in a 2D, 3D, 4D or any other kind of universe except one, a point does not describe a line, no matter how many coordinates comprise that point. A single point is part of an infinite number of lines that include that point. To describe a line, you need a second point, a second group of coordinates. Only then would you have described an infinitely long line.

Bonus points will be given to the first person who can describe the ONLY circumstances where one given point will describe an infinite line.