1984 scenario

[Ozymandias]

Just beautiful! -- & a long way from Freedonia ...

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Just beautiful! -- & a long way from Freedonia ...

Very right: but for Nationstates I'm a old socialist (not too bad ): uhm, Freedonia will become a ultra states against this 3?

 

[zeon252]

awesome job rufus, if you want to create freedonia and pit them against the 3 super states that's fine with me. I also discovered that the nazi world map I used as an outline is incredibly balanced and very useful as the actual map for the game.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I think it's funny that that strip of gray through Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Mongolia could be disputed territory, and yet England, scant few miles from a sea of red, is not.

This is due by cultural preservation. Goldstein wrote on chap 2 (War is Peace):

"GB could be easy taken by Eurasia, but if it will be all oceanian citizens must be killed. In fact, there is a culture preservation rule: if citizens would be able to see other countries ones, the war fanatism will finish."

@Zeon: mine was only a joke. Freedonia and its chaos theory is mooooore different by this 3 fanatic countries.

 

[Amenhotep7]

Could work... maybe there should be some kind of Wonder motivation? Like the building of some kind of Wonder that will give them complete and absolute control over the population... I mean, they have effectively that, but it's not guaranteed... maybe something like mind control implants or something like that...

Newspeak...

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Newspeak...

Newspeak could work, sure. Although, Newspeak is a progressive development... so maybe it should be like the Space Ship... or rather you have successive editions of the Newspeak Dictionary until you get to the last one that effectively eliminates all potentially "uppity" words.

 

[Amenhotep7]

My thoughts exactly...Of course, this would require custom gfx. Man, that'd look cool...

 

[zeon252]

Great ideas!....is there anyone that can make that?

 

[zeon252]

New ideas for wonders:
Thought police HQ: decreases corruption in the city makes one citizen "happy"
Hate week: Unhappiness from the draft is eliminated for 100 turns
Minitru: decreases corruption for all citys
Minipax: increases chances of leaders appearing and units getting promoted, decreases unit costs for upgrade
Miniluv: makes two unhappy citizens "content" in every city on the same continent
Miniplen: puts a granary on every city in the continent.
Structure ideas:
Room 101: makes two unhappy citizens "content"
propoganda station: Makes one unhappy citizen "content"
Public school: increases citizen happiness
Field hockey field: Great leaders appear more frequently.

Unit Ideas:
Floaing fortresses I,II,III
Eurasian, Oceanian, and East ASian Infantry
Rocket bombs
big brother great leaders (reduce corruption and give happines bonus)
Tech ideas:
hover tech, allows floating fortressI(floating fortresses are upgradable)
helicopters: allows attack helicopter, trans. helicopter, and police patrol(building)
Propoganda: allows spy agency, propoganda station
Advanced propoganda: allows Hateweek
Newspeak: allows some parts of newspeak wonder(required techs, propoganda)
rocket bombs: allows production of rocket bombs(required techs, rocketry)
Advanced Armory: allows floating fortress II
political correction: allows for construction of room 101, prisons
Annihalation Armory: allows for construction of floating fortress III
Party schooling: allows for construction of public school, and field hockey field
INGSOC: allows miniplen, minitru, miniluv, minipax (required techs, newspeak, A.propoganda, helicopters, political correction)


I think these are a good start, add more!

 

[lost_etchings]

Wow, looking great guys. Few things to throw in:

Telescreen: Could probably fit into progaganda. Content citizen?
Proles: What about them?
Party Structure Tech? Inner, Outer, and such.
Mass-surveliance tech? Telescreen?
History? Re-written history eradicates the past. Tech? Wonder?

Also from the book, as Orwells ideas are probably better than mine

"And meanwhile the art of war has remained almost stationary for thirty or forty years. Helicopters are more used than they were formerly, bombing planes have been largely superseded by self-propelled projectiles, and the fragile movable battleship has given way to the almost unsinkable Floating Fortress; but otherwise there has been little development. The tank, the submarine, the torpedo, the machine gun, even the rifle and the hand grenade are still in use. "

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"In the vast laboratories of the Ministry of Peace, and in the experimental stations hidden in the Brazilian forests, or in the Australian desert, or on lost islands of the Antarctic, the teams of experts are indefatigably at work. Some are concerned simply with planning the logistics of future wars; others devise larger and larger rocket bombs, more and more powerful explosives, and more and more impenetrable armour-plating; others search for new and deadlier gases, or for soluble poisons capable of being produced in such quantities as to destroy the vegetation of whole continents, or for breeds of disease germs immunized against all possible antibodies; others strive to produce a vehicle that shall bore its way under the soil like a submarine under the water, or an aeroplane as independent of its base as a sailing-ship; others explore even remoter possibilities such as focusing the sun's rays through lenses suspended thousands of kilometres away in space, or producing artificial earthquakes and tidal waves by tapping the heat at the earth's centre."

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A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police. Even when he is alone he can never be sure that he is alone. Wherever he may be, asleep or awake, working or resting, in his bath or in bed, he can be inspected without warning and without knowing that he is being inspected. Nothing that he does is indifferent. His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression of his face when is alone, the words he mutters in sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body, are all jealously scrutinized. Not only any actual misdemeanour, but any eccentricity, however small, any change of habits, any nervous mannerism that could possibly be the symptom of an inner struggle, is certain to be detected. He has no freedom of choice in any direction whatever. Nothing was your own except the few cubic centimetres inside you skull.

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Physical rebellion, or any preliminary move towards rebellion, is at present not possible. From the proletarians nothing is to be feared. Left to themselves, they will continue from generation to generation and from century to century, working, breeding, and dying, not only without any impulse to rebel, but without the power of grasping the world could be other than it is. They could only become dangerous if the advance of industrial technique made it necessary to educate them more highly; but since military and commercial rivalry are no longer important, the level of popular education is actually declining. What opinions the masses hold, or do not hold, is looked on as a matter of indifference. They can be granted intellectual liberty because they have no intellect.

Long post, but should be worthwhile

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Also
1)public execution
2) work camp

could be an idea for improvement

 

[Gelion]

LE this is exactly what I was looking for .

One thing about Nukes: all 3 states keep producing them so that one day they can destroy one state by a surprise launch of all rockets (like real life ey?), but nukes are never used in the actual warfare.
Army's are composed of a large number of professional soldiers and big casualties are rare.
Also I think a special worker unit need to be made for "free peoples" who can be captured and made work or disbaned for wonders. In the book Orwell talks about ppl from disputed regions being sacrificed to build more weapons.

Telescreen can be a temple building.
Prols are just workers and party members are happy workers methinks.

 

[zeon252]

I fixed some things on the map Iposted and it looks to be pretty even. If you play as one of the countrues and launch an immediate total invasion of the other civ you can capture some territory but holding onto it proves difficult. I think this is the right balance and could be useful in determining how many units to add to each side.

 

[zeon252]

Hi, It's been a while since I last posted but I am unfortunately not able to work on this scenario for a while. Could one of you generous people who have posted thusfar help in its creation?
Thanks

 

[I am the Future]

It's years since I read the book, but I recall mention of machineguns, helicopters, and some sort of V1-style flying bombs. Plus the nukes, of course.

In Orwells essay "You and the Atomic Bomb" He says that nukes are made obsoleate at this time by the fact that everyone has them. Therefor nukes shouldnt be in


Also I started work on this Scenario and got lost on just ecideing where the Capitol of Oceania Would go D.C. or London

 

[I am the Future]

I think it's funny that that strip of gray through Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Mongolia could be disputed territory, and yet England, scant few miles from a sea of red, is not.

England is nonexistant it is called Air Strip One FYI

 

[riley555]

Awesome book, Awesome map idea. But could you really keep it true to the book? It could very well be one of the biggest challenges in civ3 map creation history. Unless you just make a crappy 1984 map, simply have the 3 empires on the map battling, nothing more. Anyways, wasn't the book more or less almost completely focused on the oppression of people within the empire of Oceania? How would you go about making a 1984 map with all 3 empires but based on the book? it'd probably just end up being like a normal civ3 battle map.

 

[I am the Future]

ANd one last thing in the end of the book i wasnt sure if the wars even existed it seemed to me that when he was in the coffe shop at the end rambling about chess that the fighting and disputed teritory was a fake.

Also how would you do floping around of treaties?

 

[Gelion]

....nevermind this....

 

[I am the Future]

whatever you say