1st April Update

[Dianthus]

The Civilization III Hall of Fame has been updated. 81 games were accepted, beating the last update by just 1.

Congratulations to Mad2rix for the highest Firaxis score of the update with a milked Cultural 100k victory in 2041AD on Emporer for 18107 points.

EMan was busy this update, playing 13 games all of the Inca Conquest type. Unfortunately the competition was so fierce that only 4 of the submissions made it into a table (much of the competition with himself ).

There were 2 players brave enough to take on Sid this update, killercane with a 190AD Domination win on a tiny map and Kuningas with a 1715AD Cultural 20k win on a Huge map.

A number of players gained number one positions:

Kuningas with a 1715AD Huge Sid Cultural 20k.

killercane with a 1762AD Tiny Deity Cultural 100k.
zerksees with a 1912AD Small Deity Spaceship.

osi with a 910AD Large Demigod Domination.

Chamnix with a 1806AD Standard Emperor Cultural 20k.
killercane with a 350BC Tiny Emperor Domination.
sanabas with a 1750AD Standard Emperor Cultural 100k.

killercane with a 590BC Tiny Monarch Domination.
Ljdjr with a 7355 point Small Monarch Histographic.
sanabas with a 1030AD Small Monarch Diplomatic.
Sandman2003 with a 1410AD Large Monarch Spaceship.
Xeroyne with a 1766AD Tiny Monarch Diplomatic.

bluejay with a 1630AD Tiny Regent Spaceship.
killercane with a 550BC Tiny Regent Domination.
LulThyme with a 3750BC Tiny Regent Conquest.
Sandman2003 with a 1405AD Tiny Regent Cultural 100k.
Xeroyne with a 2027AD Small Regent Cultural 100k.

denyd with a 1460AD Large Warlord Cultural 100k.
EMan with a 3750BC Tiny Warlord Conquest.
Gyathaar with a 280AD Huge Warlord Domination.
killercane with a 890AD Small Warlord Diplomatic.
killercane with a 825BC Tiny Warlord Domination.
sanabas with a 2050AD Small Warlord Histographic.
Xeroyne with a 960AD Small Warlord Domination.

Chamnix with a 770AD Small Chieftain Spaceship.
Denniz with a 1430AD Small Chieftain Cultural 20k.
Denniz with a 630BC Small Chieftain Domination.
LulThyme with a 3750BC Tiny Chieftain Conquest.
LulThyme with a 3450BC Small Chieftain Conquest.
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Congratulations to sanabas for becoming the 3rd person to become a Quartermaster after improving all of his qualifying fastest finish games to first places and submitting a Histographic game.

A number of players are working towards the Quartermaster, gaining awards as follows:

Machavelli : Chamnix, Sandman2003 & killercane became full Machiavellians, and sanabas took the top position from Svar with an average rank of 1.00.
Pentathlon : Sandman2003, Chamnix & Xeroyne became full Pentathletes, and sanabas took the top position from Svar here as well with another average rank of 1.00.
Octathlon : killercane and osi became Octathletes, and Sandman2003 was promoted from Regular to Veteran. boogaboo remains at number 1 despite the competition, retaining an average rank of 1.00.
Histographic : LeSphinx, Ljdjr, sanabas and killercane all completed their first Histographic games.


As well as all of the competition, this update sees a couple of minor changes to the website. It's now possible to update the writeup URL from the "My Submissions" page, and there is a new tab on the "Statistics" page.

 

[killercane]

What the jack, my crappy large chieftain histo doesnt cover the other two requirements (pentathlon and octathlon) for QC? And all that clicking through turns I did, now Im gonna have to wait til next update. Still good job on the update and the HOF, D. I noticed the "edit" function for the writeups too, thats clutch.

 

[Dianthus]

What the jack, my crappy large chieftain histo doesnt cover the other two requirements (pentathlon and octathlon) for QC?

Sorry, no. The Machiavelli/Pentathlon/Octathlon are for fastest finish games only!

 

[killercane]

Ah silly me, I got too caught up in doing a thriple whammy I did not think about that.

 

[zerksees]

What the jack, my crappy large chieftain histo doesnt cover the other two requirements (pentathlon and octathlon) for QC?

I had a few games I submitted before this major revamp that fell into the histographic category as well. I was irritated about this at first but it just gives me more excuse to play Civ! Just two games to get Machiavelli and Pentathalon.


Also this new system is going to create some interesting competition. Will specific categories be targeted to push someone out of number one spot for quartermasters?

 

[LulThyme]

Congrats Kuningas for the c20K on huge sid.
Many thought it wasnt doable. I was gonna get to it eventually, but you did it great!
I would like some details, if possible...

Congrats to new Quartermaster, sanabas, hopefully Ill get there eventually!

Congrats everybody for a huge update again. (specially Eman for all his enthusiasm!! it seems you beat me on submission date for warlord)
There are more games sent it every week, then for a 4 month period 6 months ago!!

About the fast conquest, I wanted to keep this a secret, but I am not sure how much energy to revisit it I have :
Im am almost certain that 3800 tiny is possible up to regent, using the inca...
I got over 10 maps with the closest AI's capital at 4 spaces from my starting space (meaning the inca scout, produced in 3950, will kill it in 3850).
I even got a couple maps with the other ai close enough for my scout to reach it in time, and even one where the goody hut was placed that if I got a warrior, I had a 3800, so just needed more luck... (Yes I did lots of tries )
Also on small chieftain, it is my opinion that 3500 is reachable, but will take lots of tries (I had some maps where it could have been done, but its rare)

 

[Gyathaar]

I had the same results on the quick conquest maps.. I had several maps on both regent and warlord where 3800BC (and 3750BC) victories would have been possible, but there either was no huts nearby, or the huts that would have allowed an earlier victory would usually pop a settler instead of a warrior

Theoretically an even earlier victory would be possible if you could pop a warrior next to a 4 tile distance AI capital with scout, and the 2nd AI capital was destroyed by a volcano.. but I would hate to think about the odds of getting that map

 

[zerksees]

Theoretically an even earlier victory would be possible if you could pop a warrior next to a 4 tile distance AI capital with scout, and the 2nd AI capital was destroyed by a volcano.. but I would hate to think about the odds of getting that map

Why not just have a volcano take out each of the AI capitals. Then you could win in 4000 BC with any civ on any level - including Sid

Takers anyone?

 

[LulThyme]

Dyathaar :
=You mean, disband first scout, to produced an inca scout on first turn?
I guess that could work, but at that point, even mapfinder won't help much, and the best thing to do would be to write a program that runs that algorithm to try and do it

Btw if you are going for 3800 regent has the best odds for warriors, so try that first maybe.

Zerk :
Wouldnt work on Sid, they start with too many settlers.
I tested something similar to this not long ago (a map with tons of volcanos around each starting area) and even though the capital often gets destroyed, the settlers have already moved, even on the first turn.

 

[LulThyme]

double post, can a mod delete this

 

[LulThyme]

I had a few games I submitted before this major revamp that fell into the histographic category as well. I was irritated about this at first but it just gives me more excuse to play Civ! Just two games to get Machiavelli and Pentathalon.


Also this new system is going to create some interesting competition. Will specific categories be targeted to push someone out of number one spot for quartermasters?

I fully expect this to happen once there are enough quartermasters...
Hell I will be doing it if noone else... Just give me a couple of weeks

 

[Gyathaar]

=You mean, disband first scout, to produced an inca scout on first turn?
I guess that could work, but at that point, even mapfinder won't help much, and the best thing to do would be to write a program that runs that algorithm to try and do it

This would only allow a 3850BC win if the nearest capital was 4 tiles away..
What I meant was the original scout moves 2 tiles onto a hut, pops a warrior.. and the warrior moves next to the AI settler in 4000BC..
in 3950BC one capital is killed by volcano, the 2nd by the popped warrior.. bringing in a 3900BC win

 

[boogaboo]

I see most of my records are intact, and some were overrun by monsters!!!

Eman, you follow me man? You Inca, me Aztec = LAN party

I'm sitting back and enjoying the fact that I still hold 14 number 1 spots, which is just over third of the high scores.

What follows? I guess you can pop a hut for a warrior that will s(h)it on the only city not on a volcano, thus killing the chance for Dave to pass you

On the other hand I think I heard there are 3 volcanos on a map, so you can kill all the AIs on 4000BC ?!
What's the volcano thing in details??

Anyway, I'll continue with Pinball / Fall of Rome..

Happy for the winners!
Just for kix, I'll recommend ya all a thread in off topic I opened.. it became quite a nice funny thread, nothing hardball - "I have kicked a cat! Still no good!" at http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=115360

 

[EMan]

I see most of my records are intact, and some were overrun by monsters!!! ..

Yes, you're right boogaboo, A Monster, actually at least 5 (LulThyme, Gyathaar, Kuningas, sir_e2 et moi) have entered your domain..........Created by DaveMcW!

Anyway, I'll continue with Pinball / Fall of Rome..

Hey, I thought you wanted some competition.....what yer doing b-Man?.....There are things to do, places to go, people to conquer! (I must admit though, Bally's KISS pinball machine in my house is a great distraction!) Now's your chance to get the 3850BC (or 3900BC?) win as Gyathaar describes.
(I can "guarantee" you I'll be sitting that one out!)

Eman, you follow me man? You Inca, me Aztec = LAN party

Yeah, you Aztec all-right......Me only Inca through Regent Tiny methinks...........Aztecs will still Rule the Rest.........unless that Monster-Creator DaveMcW has another "invention" pre-Civ 4.

Congrats to all the other HOF entries.....this QC idea looks like it has become a great success and motivator! Well done HOF Staff!

P.s. I felt like the April Fool being singled out for submitting those Tiny Conquest games as they improved in End-Dates........until I saw they ALL counted in the "SCORES" statistics......which bumped me above boogaboo! April Fooooooooooled You!

 

[Bartleby]

Congratutations to the winners. I hope I can get my milkrun finished for next time.

 

[boogaboo]

Hey, I thought you wanted some competition.....what yer doing b-Man?.....

I already went crazy from pollution and workers actions in Large milking, so I'm repairing my life by doing something more interesting than persuing ONLY high scores.
No doubt in my mind that I will return somewhere in the next few weeks to full steam high score breaking, but I need to refresh (no, not F5..).

 

[LulThyme]

Yeah, you Aztec all-right......Me only Inca through Regent Tiny methinks...........Aztecs will still Rule the Rest.........unless that Monster-Creator DaveMcW has another "invention" pre-Civ 4.

Actually I almost felt like trying for tiny Monarch with the Incas, building 2 Inca scouts and trying to pop 2 warriors. I havnt really tried it, so Im not even sure it would work, but I think it might require too much work, so I postponed it.
Although now that I think about it, making 3 inca scouts and popping one warrior should still be faster than building 4 jaguar warrior no? 3 inca scouts take 40 shiels, the last one is rushed, so 2 turns (if the scout has already popped a warrior, he could head back and disband to make this 1 turn).
4 jaguar warriors takes 45 shields and a rush.
So this should save a turn. I think Ill actually try something out.
Ill go figure out if I want them to start with BW or not... (Im not familiar with what the AI does so early, so not sure if he will start on a spearman and not being able to finish it or something...)

 

[MeteorPunch]

I'm probably mentioning something you guys have known for years, I just thought of it. With Inca, you can join the worker to your city, and poprush the second chasqui scout for the next turn. Now you have 2 killer scouts. If this has already been said, sorry .

 

[EMan]

@MeteorPunch: No, we haven't been thinking about it for years.....actually, it's funny you should mention it, but the Inca Fast Conquest has just come into vogue in the last few weeks..........See date of DaveMcW's HOF Chieftain Conquest.....I looked it up: March 12, 2005!

What you said is actually what 6 HOF players have done in the last few weeks to overtake the Aztecs Fast Finishes (Only coz DaveMcW showed us how!).........Now if you had done this a month ago......you would have been the "Hero"!
(BTW, the "Free" Scout at the start is a Regular [viz. Non-Chasqui] Scout.)

So, see if you can come up with a quicker way to win Faster, without playing "dozens" of games..........then Private Message me Immediately!

@LulThyme: Wouldn't it take 9 turns to build 2 Chasqui Scouts and Pop-rush 1, using the Regular Scout disband, versus 8 turns to build 4 Jaguar Warriors playing Vanilla/PTW?
(And couldn't the Jags pop Warriors too?)

 

[LulThyme]

Yeah, youre totally right, I keep forgetting about PTW...
And Meteor Punch, that strategy isnt all that by itself, since as EMan said, you only start with a regular scout.