2012, Nearly Current

Why give Taiwan to the USA, then if China attacks it will start a huge war?

Also if you take the UK out of the EU then the EU would probably just annex them on even the easy difficulty levels. Just leave them in the EU.
 
Impressions from the first turn of playing.

Great effort! This is a great map and I can see that you must have spent a hell of a lot of time placing the cities and resources.

The biggest thing I notice you can change off the bat is the civs and their leaders. I would reorder them:

- The Democracy Defense Initiative (USA+Canada+Taiwan)
- The Worker's Rights Group (Mexico+central and latin america)
- China
- Japan
- India
- European Union (all of Europe + progressive breakaway USSR countries + Turkey)
- South Asian Defense Pact (all SE Asian countries except Australia)
- Middle Eastern Coalition (all northern African countries north of the sahara + middle eastern arab countries)
- African Development Group (all african countries south of the Sahara)
- Australia
- Russia
- The Central Asian Republic (conservative breakaway USSR countries + Afghanistan)
- The Iran-Pakistan alliance

In my opinion, you don't need to fill up all the 18 civs just for the sick of filling up all of the slots. Besides, the suggestions that I have provided here I think are quite plausible sometime in the future.

Also, hopefully you can change the names of the leaders to something more current so that it is easier to remember which nation you are dealing with in negotiations.

I would suggest that you give the poorer and developing civs resources (like oil) that the developed nations do not have to offset their inferior technology and infrastructure. In addition, I suggest that you add severe penalties (such as unhappiness) to developed nations that are in a state of war. This would provide for sort of a cyclical conflict in which developed nations would need to pay a steep price (either in technology or blood) for resources but must do so inorder to stay superior.

Anyway thats just my 2 sense so far. Good luck!
 
I find hypo's suggestions good and realistic enough. A further tip: call subsaharan Africa "the African Union" (which is an organisation on the rise), SE-Asia "ASEAN" and South America "Mercosur" (which would exclude Mexico and Central America, so maybe there is a need for at least one more civilisation. Those South American countries that are not Mercosur members are generally at least associated).
 
ok there is obviously a lot of work put into this one, and its pretty good. for changes, i would suggest incorporating MAXRIGA's mod into it to have more unit selection. also, there are too many cities and civilizations, which slows it unnecessarily. U only need maybe one city with a lot of culture to represent alaska instead of 3 and etc. also, the USA's military doesnt consist solely of navy SEALS, in fact they are a minority to the US armed forces. Also try combining civs, and also give israel either its own civ or have Tel-Aviv or jerusalem be american owned. Have all europe as the European Union and maybe England and Australia together to offset that.
 
Bump.

If the person who made this scenario gets Warlords, then he could make the scenario into a mod with up to 24 civs (or more) in it. :eek:

Then again, 90% of all players computers would most likely explode. :lol:
 
Definately sounds interesting. I'm into these kind of scenarios myself. I suggest you use some great merchants to supply the big cities in shortage with food (+1 per merchant).

I really like the idea of Canada being the independant neighbour of USA. I miss that great when I play the earth map today, there the Aztec-American relation now is more predominant, but USA gets wiped off the map every time. I remember back in Civilization II where the World War II scenario (or was is world war three? I'm not sure if it was one I downloaded, since one of the world wars that came with the game didn't have the whole American continent) had Canada and USA as big powers together, with Canada having many colonies in Asia. It was so cool to be the flexible Canadian superpower (combined with USA's protection) and help the land war is Asia and again the German submarines near American shores.
 
Warlords does open many new opportunities for this scenario. With 30 civs or so you could represent most of the major countries of the world. Vassal states could also be used to effectively portray certain diplomatic relationships.
 
Valpo said:
Seems to me that it might have been more prudent to combine Canada and the US as well as possibly mexico and call them North American Alliance.

Just a thought. . .

From your lips to Bush's ear...
 
Mexico is more tied to the United States than South America, even if they are economically more similar.
 
Israel is the world's third largest nuclear power after Russia and the USA, I think it warrants its own slot since it has basically no relations with its neighbours except for the occasional war.
 
US should just standalone.

Canada is kind of a "backdoor" to US, a NAFTA based power will cause unrealistic powerplay (eg, china begin increasing influence in canada for "peaceful" cooperation :lol: )

besides, it would be cool to see someone try to take over the world with the canadian army! :lol:

Mexico is more tied to the United States than South America, even if they are economically more similar.
it would be economic disaster for USA, there is a reason Bush want to building a wall on the border: the cheap mexican labour will make american jobless and destroy the US economy. so it is quite hard to get the 2 population to unite behind a common economy.

*cough* only european are *cough* stupid enough to do so *cough* /jk! :mischief:

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israel should stand alone.
- it is a provider of technology (eg. china, singapore, err USA?)
- it is able to make it's own war (nuff said!)
- it IS the holy land ( :p )

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as for the arab state, jordan and iran tend to take seperate path from the rest of the crowd (weariness of minority). and iraq is now(partially defunct). :sad:

so the arab might include libya, egypt, syira, saudi, maybe UAE?

Middle Eastern Coalition suggestion is good if you wanna make a strong islamic superstate; else the africa islamic state do have a grouping for their own.

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Iran and Pakistan should be seperate. afterall, if you wanna invade all the "axis of evil" it shouldn't lead to war with other arab or Pakistan (which is an ally in the war).

Pakistan and India as contenters of the indian subcontintent.

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ASEAN is not wanting to be trap by it's neighbour's sphere of influence. will play important counterbalance role of shifting slightly to the underdog while still maintaining neutral as not to earn the displeasure of anyone. it trys to balance the power of China, Japan, India and Australia (as well as New Zealand) and keep itself in the center of world trade.

Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietam are the key players. i suggest Kuala Lumpur as the Capital (twin towers :goodjob: )

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east asia should be the 2 korea, 2 china and japan. mongolia is a problem, it has almost no army or economy to play an international role. it's dependency on china has growth since USSR fell.

however, the small size of having 2 korea and taiwan might be hard to play. should be a hit for players whom love 1 city challenge! :p


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the idea of Democracy Defense Initiative is a (GDI) joke right? taiwan is a chinese problem, it would be like giving china control of cuba and call it communist defense initiative; that is too cold war. neither the people of china, korea nor germany want to be divided. hope of unification like germany still remains.

besides, calling it a Democratic alliance is dangerous, if taiwan next election result is prounification; will it mean US and Canada will deliever taiwan to China? :lol:

also, the language US used on the taiwan president, to a level of threating abandonment if it continues it nonsense, shows that US see taiwan as a cold war burden; US is not interested in turning the island of taiwan into a country; it doesn't want war. if china unified peacefully, so be it. if not, US want to ensure stability; it no longer promise it will enter a war as it now fear that the taiwan leadership do something stupid and START the war instead!

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CIS as USSR basically minus the Baltic states. might want to remove those states near turkey and ukraine as they are no longer under moscow influences (see "no more cheap gas for you!" tactic used by russia! :lol:)

central asia is still well under russian influences, china is increasing it's "coinfluences" via SCO; maybe interesting to have a central asia power; else it should be part of russian influence.

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I would like to see south africa and brazil as well, since they are part of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa)
 
Bah as to the Uk take it out of the EU and list it as the British Common wealth with all its vassal states from the Falklands to Canada and Austrailia <all of them that independently swear loyalyty to the Monarch of Engalnd>
 
I don't understand your choice of religions for Australia... eg. Cairns and Brisbane has Buddhism. Sure there are a lot of Japanese tourists on the Gold Coast but they're not permanent residents. Also, I think the majority of Australia's Jewish population lives in Melbourne and very few comparitively live in Sydney (correct me if I"m wrong here). Another thing, the entire ACT (the territory Canberra resides in) only has a population of 300 000 so you should probably make the city smaller. Lastly, why is every city in the country producing warriors? :/
 
Israel as one city, owned by the US? Otherwise one city could never realy do what Israel does... possibly the same for s. korea, syngapor, etc.?
 
Thinking a few things here:
in 2008, the EU is supposed to vote on a new treaty (not a constitution) that creates an EU presidency, more central powers, more economic power, etc. To reflect this change, as well as general changes in the world by 2012:

The European Union, capital Brussels
The United States of America
Central American Economic Aliiance (CAEA): something like this is in the works, I believe, promoted by Venezuela and Cuba (who else?). Include Mexico in this.
Russian Federation: Try recreating the USSR or something. The way Putin is doing things recently, a shift towards autocracy, the US missile base diplomatic crisis, etc.
ASEAN (Major Southeast Asia-India Economic Pact thing): forgot the proper acronym, but counts India, Indonesia, SE Asia (maybe Japan, Australia).
China (make Taiwan perpetually rebelling, maybe an AI in itself)
Middle East Alliance of some sort (...Islamic Federation? Dunno....): Should include Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan (maybe), Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon (if Hezbollah takes over)
Persian Gulf Democratic Alliance (counterweight to Islamic Alliance): Israel, Lebanon (if Lebanese gvn't takes over), Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman
African Union (like EU, taking further steps towards centralizing power)
The Commonwealth: Uhhhh. Okay. Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al aren't exactly world powers. Maybe Canada. But the rest? Come on. And looks like the Brits aren't getting into the whole EU thing. whatever.
India: On second thought, seperate from ASEAN. WAY too powerful and popful to do anything.


Again, not all 18 civs are needed. Keep it simple. Ish.

Religions
Get rid of these, for the most part. Make Jerusalem Judeo-Christian holy city, Mecca holy city, along with Tibet for Buddhism, Vrindavan/Gopal/etc for Hinduism, Confucian and Taoism holy cities I have no idea about, but whatever.

Free religion for most countries.



All I can think of. Gimme some feedback!
 
Massive thread rebirth. Interesting scenario, though.
 
Was this never updated? A shame, there aren't very many near future conflict scenarios and considering such great ideas were posted.
 
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