Serutan
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2nd WW2 Cumulative History Quiz
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wildWolverine
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close, but no.
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
Tarawa? {filler}
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Eniwetok Atoll.
wildWolverine
L'Etat, c'est moi
Rik is correct. I apologize if this was overly difficult -- I've always thought that this atoll presented an interesting tactical exercise -- it must have been hell trying to figure out how to defend such a narrow strip of coral.
It is Eniwetok Atoll:
It is Eniwetok Atoll:
Short question:
What nations invaded Persia in August and September 1941 and what was the main reason to invade it ?
(of course Oil, but I mean political. Why didn't Persia ally with the Axis nor the Allies).
What nations invaded Persia in August and September 1941 and what was the main reason to invade it ?
(of course Oil, but I mean political. Why didn't Persia ally with the Axis nor the Allies).
FriendlyFire
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1) British
2) To secure oil supplies
3) To prevent them from joining the Axis powers
(Prevent to Yanks from moving in)
2) To secure oil supplies
3) To prevent them from joining the Axis powers
(Prevent to Yanks from moving in)
privatehudson
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Russia was involved too IIRC
Serutan
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Not just oil, but to have a route by which to send supplies
to the SU which could not easily be interdicted by the Germans.
Both Britain and and the SU were involved.
to the SU which could not easily be interdicted by the Germans.
Both Britain and and the SU were involved.
Serutan is on the right track. The nations involved were indeed USSR and UK.
But the reason Persia "needed" to be invaded by them isn't solved yet. Although logistics and Oil played major parts, these aren't the direction of answers I am looking for. I'm thinking of politics.
As far as FF's answer; joining the Axis' side is more in the direction (but very incomplete). I want to know why Persia was "in danger" to join the Axis and not the Allies and why it hadn't joined any side it all at that time.
(making the invasion in fact an invasion by allied powers of a neutral sovereign country. WW II was not all "black and wide", "us and them" nor "good guys and bad guys"... )
But the reason Persia "needed" to be invaded by them isn't solved yet. Although logistics and Oil played major parts, these aren't the direction of answers I am looking for. I'm thinking of politics.
As far as FF's answer; joining the Axis' side is more in the direction (but very incomplete). I want to know why Persia was "in danger" to join the Axis and not the Allies and why it hadn't joined any side it all at that time.
(making the invasion in fact an invasion by allied powers of a neutral sovereign country. WW II was not all "black and wide", "us and them" nor "good guys and bad guys"... )
Serutan
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Well, Persia certainly did not volunteer to be a rail corridor to
the SU. The version I have seen is that the British were
negotiating with Persia for transit rights, and the Persians were
not being cooperative. Stalin stepped in with an ultimatum
(basically, "Give us what we want or we beat the hell out of you
and take it anyway"), at which point Persia caved, and was
left nominally independent but occupied by British and
Soviet forces.
At a guess, I would say there was a fear that if the Germans
could get Turkey to join them, and succeeded in their attempt to
put a pro-German government in Iraq, they could (using Persian
dislike of the British and probably Soviets) persuade Persia to
join them, giving them a back door route into the SU, and
also a road to British India which might allow a linkup with
the Japanese.
the SU. The version I have seen is that the British were
negotiating with Persia for transit rights, and the Persians were
not being cooperative. Stalin stepped in with an ultimatum
(basically, "Give us what we want or we beat the hell out of you
and take it anyway"), at which point Persia caved, and was
left nominally independent but occupied by British and
Soviet forces.
At a guess, I would say there was a fear that if the Germans
could get Turkey to join them, and succeeded in their attempt to
put a pro-German government in Iraq, they could (using Persian
dislike of the British and probably Soviets) persuade Persia to
join them, giving them a back door route into the SU, and
also a road to British India which might allow a linkup with
the Japanese.
Serutan: not really.
Try to reason from Persia's side. Why didn't Persia want to side with the Axis and why not with the Allies ?
Try to reason from Persia's side. Why didn't Persia want to side with the Axis and why not with the Allies ?
privatehudson
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Out of a desire to remain neutral and not have to risk loosing her territory or resources during and after the war?
FriendlyFire
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So it could sell Oil to both sides
... You are all nearing the core of the answer, without actually touching it ...
Time for a hint.
Hint: Due to Persia's location and its Oil it was always going to be forced to join sides. Persia was just way too important (and too weak) not to side. Persia could have chosen itself which side to join, but chose to not choose. This was because of some delicate world-political maneuvering by Persia. I'm looking for the reasons and the actions Persia took to get into (and out of) this position.
Hope someone can touch the core of the answer now.
Time for a hint.
Hint: Due to Persia's location and its Oil it was always going to be forced to join sides. Persia was just way too important (and too weak) not to side. Persia could have chosen itself which side to join, but chose to not choose. This was because of some delicate world-political maneuvering by Persia. I'm looking for the reasons and the actions Persia took to get into (and out of) this position.
Hope someone can touch the core of the answer now.
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
Maybe the Shah was pro-Axis, and the parliament was
pro Allies, so there was no consensus within the government?
pro Allies, so there was no consensus within the government?
FriendlyFire
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Sounds like it was hedging its bets.
Perhaps it hoped to play boths sides to its own end ? See which side would offer it the most in order for it to join. Both British and Russian forces used the "pretext" that german intelligence (anwher) were operating in / from "neutral" Persia.
... no that's not it either. And I don't have an idea on more hints without actually giving the answer away. You can keep trying to get the answer or I could post the answer and let someone else ask a next question.
Perhaps a hint: Persia looked at the current world situation and decided based upon that what side not to join. It also looked at the most likely world situation in a "short while" and based upon that what side not to join.
Perhaps a hint: Persia looked at the current world situation and decided based upon that what side not to join. It also looked at the most likely world situation in a "short while" and based upon that what side not to join.
CruddyLeper
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Pure guesswork this -
1) Persia didn't want to go Communist.
2) Persia didn't want to go back under British rule
3) Persia didn't want to give an excuse to be invaded so didn't join the Axis.
1) Persia didn't want to go Communist.
2) Persia didn't want to go back under British rule
3) Persia didn't want to give an excuse to be invaded so didn't join the Axis.
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