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Spoiler current America wonders :
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Great General PointsProposal:
- Replace Hoover Dam with Slater Mill
- Current Slater Mill becomes Soho Foundry
- Remove River requirement on Soho Foundry. No other balance changes. to the World Wonder
- Soho Foundry icon change to existing Refinery icon
- Current Refinery icon change to existing Slater Mill icon
- New Slater mill American Wonder full writeup below
- Make all 3 American wonders World Wonders:
- change from 1 max player instance to 1 world player instance
- Gives a Historic Event when completed
- Add GPPs to them
- Capturable by other civs
- Subject to wonder % production modifiers and penalties
- move all 3 wonders earlier, into Industrial
- Reduce all construction costs to 1000
, in keeping with earlier unlock (slightly cheaper than contemporary wonders) - Slater Mill unlocks at Industrialization
- West Point unlocks at Military Science
- Smithsonian unlocks at Archaeology
- Reduce all construction costs to 1000
- Rebalance the 3 slightly (details below):
Spoiler New 3 Wonders. differences from current versions underlined :
Great Engineer PointsReasoning
Making them world wonders:
- Making them all full-blown world wonders is more interesting and cool
- Differentiates America's world wonders from Venice's national wonders
- justifies their higher production cost
- The modern era unlocks were too late. You didn't get a lot of time to play with them. Moving them forward 1 tech level will feel a little better
- Historically, all of the 3 wonders are Industrial era.
- The Smithsonian institute was founded in 1818, and the iconic castle was built in 1847
- West Point was first occupied as a military base in 1778, and was inaugurated as a military academy in 1802
- Slater Mill was constructed and began business in 1793
- The Hoover Dam is more than 100 years older than the other 2 wonders, and was out of place.
- Slater Mill is a better fit, closer to the other 2 in time
- The current bonuses in-game, the timing, and even the art used for Slater Mill currently would fit Soho Foundry better
- Slater Mill uses this icon, from the vanilla civ 5 atlas:
- That icon obviously is not Slater Mill. It's a generic refinery with modern, red and white smoke stacks, but the Slater Mill is a water-powered cloth mill. It doesn't have smoke stacks
- Meanwhile, the current refinery uses this icon:
- The Soho Foundry is the place where the first steam engines were built by Watt & Crick. Watt was the original inventor of what we think of as the first modern steam engine, replacing the Newcomen engine.
- re: world impact, Soho Foundry has much more to do with coal, steam power, and the industrialization of the world economy than Slater Mill, which is only relevant to American history
- Slater Mill was the first English-style cloth mill in North America. It marked the beginning of America’s entry into the Industrial Age. But Slater Mill was a river-powered cloth mill that was 20 years younger than the Soho Foundry and the first coal-powered factories in England.
- Slater Mill uses this icon, from the vanilla civ 5 atlas:
- Removing the River requirement is mainly flavor, because Soho Foundry is not on a river. It does have balance implications though, allowing any city to build it.
- The current smithsonian gives a free museum everywhere. Unless you are already inches away from a domination win it is almost always the best pick. The hammers and maintenance it saves on empire can't be outdone.
- With the industrial unlock we can put a building on each of the wonders from that tech which fit perfectly with the theme.
ArmoryArsenal has been moved back to Modern, so that is an appropriate tech level for the 2nd boosted building on West point. With Hoover being replaced and moved sooner we can tie it more into
instead of 
. The stock exchange is at an appropriate tech level and theme.- Both Hoover and smithsonian gave CV-related bonuses and it wasn’t great to have the two piled up like that. It also made it pretty clear how inferior Hoover Dam was. I’m hoping players can make use of that extra trade route, and that the earlier and compounding global yields on the factories makes the new Slater mill more of a contender.
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