(7-59) Nerf Consecutive CS Election Rigs (20%)

[azum4roll]

Current:
Each consecutive election rig increases CS influence by +100%.
e.g. First rig = 50 , second rig = 100 , third rig = 150

Proposed:
Each consecutive election rig increases CS influence by +20%.
e.g. First rig = 50 , second rig = 60 , third rig = 70

Rationale:
Longstaying spies in CS scale way better than longstaying spies/diplomats in major civ cities. This should place them back into equal footing.
It'll also be easier to keep CS influence from going out of hand.

 

[Stalker0]

So convenience here is a chart to compare old rigs vs proposed rigs with network points so you can get a feel for the power level.

I am assuming 30 NP per turn for a spy as that is generally the average I see for early spies (and also if the new spy level change kicks in). It takes 15 turns to do a rig so that is what this is based on. I assume Renaissance era until Turn 60 (so era scaling starts at 3 and moves to 4 at turn 60).

Turns	Current Rig Influence (Cumulative)	Proposed Rig Influence (Cumulative)	NP (cumulative)	Inf/NP (OG)	Inf/NP (Proposed)
15​	105​	105​	450​	0.23​	0.23​
30​	300​	228​	900​	0.33​	0.25​
45​	585​	369​	1350​	0.43​	0.27​
60​	1085​	581​	1800​	0.60​	0.32​
75​	1705​	817​	2250​	0.76​	0.36​
90​	2445​	1077​	2700​	0.91​	0.40​
105​	3305​	1361​	3150​	1.05​	0.43​

 

[Stalker0]

My initial reaction looking at the chart, this change might be an overcorrection. I definitely think it should be lowered, but this quickly gets close to a 50% nerf or more.

I might propose a 40% growth rather than 100% as a counter, I'll think about it.

 

[axatin]

50 was just used as an example in the proposal, the real value is 30 scaling with era.

 

[Stalker0]

50 was just used as an example in the proposal, the real value is 30 scaling with era.

ah, so is the % increase per rig correct? Just provide me the correct numbers and I will update the table.

 

[axatin]

ah, so is the % increase per rig correct?

yes, that's +100% per election currently.

 

[azum4roll]

You also forgot the -influence on all other players (not scaling) and the higher decay with higher influence.

 

[Stalker0]

You also forgot the -influence on all other players (not scaling) and the higher decay with higher influence.

Remind me about the first mechanic, it’s 10 each rig I believe?

Higher decay is a factor of influence regardless of source…that had to be considered with any influence source not just rigs

 

[azum4roll]

Remind me about the first mechanic, it’s 10 each rig I believe?

Equal to base influence gained for you, not increasing with each rig.

 

[Stalker0]

50 was just used as an example in the proposal, the real value is 30 scaling with era.

so just making sure. For a starting rig (which is in Renaissance, era 3), a base rig gives a person 90 influence and lowers someone else by 90?

That seems way out there, I know the cumulative look good, but the base is that good?

 

[axatin]

yes, the Influence gained is 90 in Renaissance, 120 in Industrial and so on. But the other players don't lose that much, they only lose 5 Influence, scaling with Era.

 

[Stalker0]

yes, the Influence gained is 90 in Renaissance, 120 in Industrial and so on. But the other players don't lose that much, they only lose 5 Influence, scaling with Era.

ah ok that makes more sense.

 

[Stalker0]

I updated the table above with the corrected numbers.

 

[axatin]

I sponsor this.

 

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