[Vote] (7-88) New Supermajority Vote Threshold

[Recursive]

This is an important vote as it decides how easy it will be to make major changes to Vox Populi's game balance. Please read everything below and think carefully about this decision. Remember to vote for ALL options you would be happy with.

EDIT: Your vote here matters, but I will be using my discretion based on everyone's preferences to decide the outcome, and a confirmatory revote is likely due to the importance of the decision. The option that gets the highest, unless it's by a decisive margin, might not be the one selected. For now, just vote for every option you're okay with.


This is a special poll that I've decided to add to this VP Congress Session regarding votes that require a supermajority to pass.

Currently these are defined as follows:

Some proposals require a supermajority to approve them. These are:
- The addition of a new civilization
- The addition of a new victory condition
- The addition of a new era
- The addition of a new policy tree or ideology
- Anything else which majorly affects game balance on a similar scale as any of the above (Magi judgement call)

The current rules for changes requiring a supermajority vote to implement are as follows:

1. The sponsorship of the proposal must be approved by a lead developer.
2. The proposal must receive at least 25 Yea votes.
3. 75% of the votes for the proposal must be Yea votes in a straight Yea/Nay vote (3:1 ratio).

These will be the new rules going forward:

1. The sponsorship of the proposal must be approved by a lead developer.
2. The proposal must receive at least 50 Yea votes.
3. X% of the votes for the proposal must be Yea votes in a straight Yea/Nay vote, where X = the % threshold that the community decides.

I've included five options for the value of X:

• 66.67% (a two-thirds majority, or a 2:1 vote ratio)
• 75% (the current 3:1 vote ratio)
• 71.43% (equal to a 2.5:1 ratio)
• 72%, since it's halfway between 67% and 75%.
• 70%, as another in-between value.

As with any approval vote, please vote for all options you would be happy with. Also, this change will not retroactively change the vote on disabling Events from Session #6, so don't take that into consideration.

 

[hokath]

For reference the event system vote in congress 6 was

Spoiler :

 

[dostillevi]

Does this vote itself follow normal vote rules or does it also carry the 75% threshold rule for a major change?

 

[Stalker0]

Does this vote itself follow normal vote rules or does it also carry the 75% threshold rule for a major change?

A great question. This is set up as a regular vote, so majority wins.

 

[Recursive]

Does this vote itself follow normal vote rules or does it also carry the 75% threshold rule for a major change?

Likely majority wins, but I reserve the right to use my discretion in deciding the outcome. If a substantial chunk of the community wouldn't be happy with major changes happening that warrants some pause, at least.

That's also why I have it as an approval vote, so I can compare preferences across multiple options (right now there's two people who have voted that they'd be happy with any threshold, so that doesn't warrant pause).

I might make a decision, explain my logic for reaching it, and have a confirmatory Yea/Nay vote on changing the threshold. Such is the import of this decision, because it could lead to integrating new civilizations, eras, 4UC, or otherwise transformatory gameplay changes.

 

[Hokiefan00]

I think it would be funny if the 2/3rds majority option passes by a 2/3rds majority. We are so close!

 

[dostillevi]

Likely majority wins, but I reserve the right to use my discretion in deciding the outcome. If a substantial chunk of the community wouldn't be happy with major changes happening that warrants some pause, at least.

That's also why I have it as an approval vote, so I can compare preferences across multiple options (right now there's two people who have voted that they'd be happy with any threshold, so that doesn't warrant pause).

I might make a decision, explain my logic for reaching it, and have a confirmatory Yea/Nay vote on changing the threshold. Such is the import of this decision, because it could lead to integrating new civilizations, eras, 4UC, or otherwise transformatory gameplay changes.

I’m one of those who voted for all. Couldn’t rationalize the practical impact of any particular percentage, and as long as it’s 2:1 or more I’m fine with whatever the community wants.

 

[azum4roll]

Supermajority is not compatible with approval.

 

[Recursive]

Supermajority is not compatible with approval.

I have taken this into account. A confirmatory vote is likely, this is to get everyone's preferences in detail.

The results still matter, though.

Likely majority wins, but I reserve the right to use my discretion in deciding the outcome. If a substantial chunk of the community wouldn't be happy with major changes happening that warrants some pause, at least.

That's also why I have it as an approval vote, so I can compare preferences across multiple options (right now there's two people who have voted that they'd be happy with any threshold, so that doesn't warrant pause).

I might make a decision, explain my logic for reaching it, and have a confirmatory Yea/Nay vote on changing the threshold. Such is the import of this decision, because it could lead to integrating new civilizations, eras, 4UC, or otherwise transformatory gameplay changes.

 

[N.Core]

For reference the event system vote in congress 6 was

Spoiler :

View attachment 689485

I would guess if the threshold is lowered, people can propose this again?

 

[hokath]

The rule is you can re-propose something every-other congress.
So next congress.
Next congress I'm comin' for those events.

 

[N.Core]

The rule is you can re-propose something every-other congress.
So next congress.
Next congress I'm comin' for those events.

That's the rule. But if the next session someone proposes the same thing that failed before, I think it might be a useless proposal if the result is gonna be mostly the same as the previous one. With the new threshold, this proposal might have a chance to get passed. The events stuff needs redesigning.

 

[Recursive]

The rule is you can re-propose something every-other congress.
So next congress.
Next congress I'm comin' for those events.

No, you can propose it at every Congress. I removed that rule when we switched to the quarterly schedule.

 

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