A different proposal

[johny smith]

Ok I saw the past threads of trying to bring in the ideas of the aspects of the movies. Now I am going to try to show my ideas of what I think would make this a successful mod that does not try to focus so much on the roles of just from the movies. Think of it as FFH in space in some ways.

I have the source of the timeline from here. It should start around 25,000 BBY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dates_in_Star_Wars#Timeline_of_Star_Wars_History

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic

And along those lines matching the techs to the times. Like in this beginning the people were still using Slugthrowers aka guns. No lightsabers and etc.

I would think start off as a civ leader of a planet at this time, and have events added that match the things that occured in the Star Wars universe like the Jedi Schisms and etc.

I would think allowing you to choose with what you side with in events would shape what you would have available. Say you side with the Sith and having a gauge for how good or bad you can go. The eviler you get the stronger evil units become or gooder you get the stronger your good units become.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi

And I would think the Jedi and Sith act as independent groups. Not you the leader of them. This is intended so anyone could use them. I would use the material from the Star Wars d20 games as the ideas for the units. There are different Jedi units for example like a Jedi Guardian as a warrior type and a Jedi Consular as a diplomat. But also outside of that is plenty more info for more types. Anyway I would think you could make a more lively space adventure by having the units for other uses then combat.

Well the whole principle of the idea is you step back from the movies and look at the Star Wars galaxy as Earth. Things happened over time and allowing you to choose alternate paths from what occurred in the movies.

I know people will say no not interested in many cases, but all I can say is look a Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. It created something outside of time span of the Star Wars movies. And that is what I am trying to capture with this idea.

I will write more to explain when I have more time.

 

[johny smith]

Reserved for more

 

[johny smith]

reserved for more

 

[rocklikeafool]

Um...you're forgettin bout the Sith Empire. Also, the First Republic was defended by the Jedi. So, I think your idea fails to apply.

 

[johny smith]

Um...you're forgettin bout the Sith Empire. Also, the First Republic was defended by the Jedi. So, I think your idea fails to apply.

What are you talking about? The First Republic? Do you mean the Old Republic?

But you are wrong. Here is the first war they helped in The Great Hyperspace War.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Hyperspace_War

That is the first point the Jedi step in to defend the Republic.
It was not responsibility for the Jedi to protect the Republic in the beginning. Later then they began to believe more in protecting it. The Jedi came from Ossus.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ossus

After the war they had a presence on Coruscant.

 

[johny smith]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Republic#Formation

The Republic was formed in 25,000 BBY.

The Great Hyperspace War was in 5,000 BBY.
Where the Sith are first discovered and the Jedi come to protect the Republic.

See a difference?

All I ask please at least look at some the info on wookiepedia.

I thought in this 20,000 years is the time you can build on your empire or republic whatever you have before the greater conflicts that arise between larger empires.

As well there is plenty of info for events between these dates. For example you could have an alternative capital for the Republic. There were fights over this with in the Republic itself.

I can give some info on wars in between 25,000 and 5,000, but if you read the history of the Republic you can see yourself.

 

[johny smith]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Empire#Origin

There is info about the rise of the Sith Empire. I would think would be the original Sith species before 7,003 BBY and then the Sith as known as later would arise with the Hundred-Year Darkness.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hundred-Year_Darkness

 

[rocklikeafool]

What are you talking about? The First Republic? Do you mean the Old Republic?

But you are wrong.

Yes, I mean the Old Republic. And no, I'm not wrong. It doesn't matter that the Jedi came from Ossus or when they first stepped in. They were still known as "Defenders of the Republic". They continued to be when the New Republic was instituted, under the leadership of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.

So, don't get all nitpicky detailed on me.

 

[Popcornlord]

I don't understand your argument, rocklikeafool. If the jedi defended the republic, then they should be buildable, right?

 

[rocklikeafool]

This argument has nothing to do with buildable or nonbuildable. It has to do with dates.

But yes, the Jedi should be buildable with the right tech and choosing light side of the force as your religion.

@Johny
The definition of a mod allows the player to have things happen when and how they wish. If ya wanna get a finicky bout dates, make a damn scenario.

 

[johny smith]

But they are the defenders of the Republic in later sources duh. How would they be defenders of the Republic if not known about? Hell the Jedi did not start till 5000 years after the beginning of the Republic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi#Early_History


You must be missing what I am saying as well. I mean no Republic Civ. I am talking starting as a planet system, and the Republic is just a civic. Whoever makes the Republic or gets the Jedi Council in there borders I do not care.

So it would be stupid to have multiple Republic civs each starting with the Jedi in my opinion. Now with what I am thinking their is no Empire civ just a civic as well.

You start say as Crosucant with NO JEDI because it is 25,000 BBY. The Jedi are founded as a religion on another planet Ossus somewhere around 20,000 BBY. You can choose what civic you want. The Jedi spread eventually into your city. I am not thinking only Jedi and Sith maybe as well. I thinking of having more force user groups. Like say the different Sith factions as well. Or perhaps use the Force orders as corporations.

But the point is multiple civs would each have the Jedi and what are they going to be "Defenders of Every Republic" then?

And it is a really simple idea to make. And I have done something already yes. I began making a map of the galaxy in the worldbuilder based on the FF space map. Really simple

@rocklikeafool
Civ is setup as a history game with dates. Ever notice? Why try to make Star Wars Battlefront out of it?

 

[Popcornlord]

... Alright, I'm clueless. Can someone please explain this?

 

[rocklikeafool]

I give up. This kid Johny doesn't know when to quit arguin. He jus keeps goin and goin. Damn lil bugger. Obviously needs a life. Sides which he completely misses all my points.

 

[johny smith]

I am not arguing I am trying to explain this idea. Obviously like posted above the two of you don't understand what I am talking about. I probably did not explain well, but I really have lost interest now. Especially after the smart butt responses.

Forget the idea. This mod has a wonderful idea now. I am no longer interested in it anymore to tell you the truth, but I am sure you guys will get something finished.

I think one thing can summarize the biggest problem with this mod, and why I think it has failed thus far. No one wants to read the from sources like Wookiepedia for example. No one they want to use only the movies and the released games for sources.

I have not spoke with one person trying to mod it that knows anything past that. If I feel up to it I may make something alone. The two things I will do if I do is make a tech tree that spans the entire time period from hyperspace being discovered to the New Jedi Order, and hopefully lay out a galatic map with some events. But busy modding other things at this point.

The stuff on the SVN I sent up would probably not be like anyway. I got it modular with modular themes. Does not seem anyone really cares either way.

@rocklikeafool
I am sorry for irritating you so badly. Obviously you are all knowing. I mean like your signature says "I choose to walk alone". Rock on dude you are so fly.

 

[Popcornlord]

I think one thing can summarize the biggest problem with this mod, and why I think it has failed thus far. No one wants to read the from sources like Wookiepedia for example. No one they want to use only the movies and the released games for sources.

I have been using Wookiepedia like crazy. It's safe to say I know very little about Star Wars. Plus I have only two games about star wars and that's only if Lego Star Wars counts.

I have not spoke with one person trying to mod it that knows anything past that. If I feel up to it I may make something alone. The two things I will do if I do is make a tech tree that spans the entire time period from hyperspace being discovered to the New Jedi Order, and hopefully lay out a galatic map with some events. But busy modding other things at this point.

That is what I hope for the mod to be, eventually. it's a huge thing to do, though, so we're starting with the basics. And, sorry to see you go.
P.S. The reason I didn't understand the argument was because it was buried under quite a few posts and I'm to lasy to read them all.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

I love the idea. You start at before the great Hyperspace war. And end at after the movie time. This is much better than just taking the movies.

 

[civ editor11]

you should be able to get jedi after you get the tech-religion light side and sith after dark side but you need the entire sw universe not just the parts from early to movie but from early to late after yuuzhan vong war and legacy of the force you should read the books and use wookiepedia with video games and movies not just any of these

 

[civ editor11]

Use all of them and start right around the beggining of the great hyperspace war