Acid_04: The final frontier

[Mutineer]

Additional note, try not to fill all our WFYBTA limit on discovery of alphavit, only what we really needed, but first for war extorsion. May be do not trade anything befor war extorsion. IN many of my games I delay alphavit and research all cheap tech from bottom up with max discount, as it save WFYBTA limit for future trades and on Deity this limit is very low.

 

[ThERat]

ok, guys what do you reckon...how many chariots before we start to attack?

want to wait for some input before playing my turns

 

[acidsatyr]

Ok, looked at save file.
My suggestions:

- We could chop forest , or two. Two mined grasland hills are better.
-We are still far away from Alphabet. Our capital will benefit from library (we are creative so it will take us only 4 turns = 2 W. Chariots.), so we should get it asap. Then continue with chariots.
-Lets not jump to conclusion early. We dont know what is south of us nor east. Both Wang and Ragnar are more aggressive than Roosevelt, and they are both financial. What makes you think they wont backstab us? Id say Open borders with both of them and do some quick reacon with some chariots while you build rest. As for how many, id say 10 minimum.

theRat, you play 15 turns, as does evrybody else remaining in this round. Better to keep shorter rounds. Second round its 10 evryone.

 

[Mutineer]

Personally I would avoide library untill first war. Even with cheative it is too expencive. Rememebr we pay upkeep for all this chariots on Deity it is expencive.

No, I think we should build and attack ASAP and after war build libraries in bouth cities. Remember, we could run in financial problem with military upkeep. Gold will keep as aflout, but library now would be no help

 

[acidsatyr]

Dang that bronze is far away, but it could benefit us incredibly.
hmmm....

 

[acidsatyr]

Personally I would avoide library untill first war. Even with cheative it is too expencive. Rememebr we pay upkeep for all this chariots on Deity it is expencive.

No, I think we should build and attack ASAP and after war build libraries in bouth cities. Remember, we could run in financial problem with military upkeep. Gold will keep as aflout, but library now would be no help

I agree and disagree It is 4 turns, but its only two chariots. It would brush off few turns from alphabet for sure. Thats why we should chop for it.

 

[Mutineer]

Acid, capital make what, edit: 16 commerce? Now our hats money run out we will fall to 50% research at best, so library will add 2 research turn, delaying war for 4 turns and we will pay 5 gp turns for all this chariots for additional 4 turns. No, does not pay off.

Edit: Numbers a bit, but still conclusion does not change.

 

[acidsatyr]

Its 14. And i was thinking more along the lines of running one scientist instead of that hill, untill we get to alphabet. Extra chopping should cover some production, untill we capture first city, and run science at 100%.

 

[Mutineer]

So, lets have Max production untill we take first and may be second city. Then switch to builder mode.

 

[acidsatyr]

Fair enough.

Ok, do we agree on doing some recon south and east and opening borders, before we commit to Roosevelt?

 

[Mutineer]

well, we have spare chariots, may be we should. not to far away thought, so we can bring chariots to attack soon. Socond city will start on chariot next turn I think.
About chariot promotions. Remember WC immune to first strike and str 5, so combat 1 is more beneficial then flanking. In addition combat 1 open medic and targe specific promotions.

 

[ThERat]

ok, since our 'friend' Roosevelt kept on spamming cities, I decided to go after him

played 15 turns, inserted the library in 4 turns, won't hurt as both cities can churn out chariots fast
Wang Kong asked for open borders and in order not to make him angry, I agreed (it also helped in the attack)
lost scout to barb archers in the fog...
used a chariot to scout the area and Americans have quite some troops....

do you recognize something here? A mined grassland as a clear indicator for iron...we need that city...

we also met Shaka who is first in score...
Roosevelt converted to judaism, so we know what's going on here...
Great Lighthouse got built in 1400BC

had 10 chariots for a war and decided to attack
on turn 11 started set up for attack, but unit cost is terrible
set up was nice due to open borders with Wang Kong

then...

Due to expanded borders of New York, problem to attack
lost 3 chariots, defeating a sword + spear

increased science to 100% immediately
alphabet is now due next turn. I would say, heal troops and go after Roosevelt's capital...

situation

just for the curious ones...in case Ragnar decides to attack us...

 

[Blake]

Well this game will be 100% easier if that stack is after the Korean.

Was this version the one where I have the AI put about 3 more units in it's capital during wars? Hoooo boy. Better hope not .

 

[acidsatyr]

ok we need to discuss few thing here.

 

[Mutineer]

WEll as I see it we need to push for capital. and then peace extorsion may be.

If posible we need to look for Iron working and Mathematics.
I say do not trade alphavit befor peace extorsion.

 

[acidsatyr]

Scary situation. Personally i think ragnar is more inclined to attack Wang since he is annoyed. Alphabet is close. Once we get it we should see if its possible to bribe Ragnar to attack Roosevelt. (if next turn he doesnt attack us that is). So, we can try it that way. He'll try to capture few cities. BUT Wang doesnt have open borders with him, nor we. In other words, give him alphabet just so he doesnt attack us. Im not sure i like this.
I agree on going after capital (iron in there), with so many chariots rollin in no doubt we can take it. Just make sure we have enough tho.

Shaka in the game!? Crap.....

So again, i think ragnar will attack Wang before us, but Im not 100% sure.. If he doesnt attack us next turn, i think he is after wong. I think this is one of those all or nothing type of situations. Honestly is ragnar attacks us, next player just roll a new start.

Alright Blake, your next. gl

btw we have alphabet rather ealry so we might hold it a little bit...

acidsatyr AKA Seth
Mutineer AKA The Scorpion King
ThERat AKA Imhotep
Blake AKA Duamutef <------NEXT
Mark AKA Wepwawet

 

[ThERat]

I am all for Muti's plan...not trading anothing for now...not even Ragnar, he has that stack there for quite a while already...let's just hope he will attack Wong.

I suggest to get masonry next, then other cheap techs, we need lighthouses as well to get the northern city to grow.

By the way, I gave all the * promotion not flanking (useless IHMO). I think wehn we start to siege the capital, we should maybe pillage the iron. Additional money and easy to replace.

The capital doesn't have that many units as we can see, Atlanta did have some sword, I lost a warrior there attempting to steal a worker...

By the way, I let our capital grow to 6 and to speed this up, chopped a spice tile (so we can have 2f/2c there). We can nicely churn out 1/2 turn chariots and we should not stop until we have beaten up Roosevelt properly. We need one very weak opponent for continued figthing and extortion.

 

[acidsatyr]

You did the right thing,
btw i just checked the save file, theres no "We have a lot on our hands now" with Ragnar, so i dont think hell attack (maybe thats just..like..the amount of units in all his cities? lol).

Don't forget we have Marble in our capital. GL?

 

[Mutineer]

Yes, I think GL would be beneficial, we would need masonry and litherature for it.

 

[acidsatyr]

misticism -> poly -> literature.
AI rarely gives polytheism.
We should get Math as well...