TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
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AG8 - Let's try Sid
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TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
AG08-1250BC
Pre-flight checks... OK
IBT
Salamanca Settler - Settler
Niagara Falls Worker - Barracks
1 - 1225BC
Settler heads North to river mouth
Settler arrives on site
Curragh continues around coast
Lux 10%
Buy CB for 369gp - we need a counter to the Temple of Artemis
IBT
Centralia Warrior - Temple
2 - 1200BC
Kahnawake founded (NW Wheat) getting a skilled Warrior from the GH
Curragh continues
IBT
NTR
3 - 1175BC
Caughnawaga founded (on lakeside)
Curragh continues
Grand River MMed for Settler + Growth in 7 turns
Lux 20% (Salamanca)
IBT
We get the Forbidden Palace message
Cattaraugus Curragh - Temple
India start Hanging Gardens
4 - 1150BC
Settler arrive on site
Curraghs explore
Workers work
Warriors block Indian Settler/Warrior pair in the SE
IBT
Salamanca Settler - Settler
Allegheny Chariot - Chariot
Tonawanda Warrior - Worker
Lagos (Portugal) completes Great Lighthouse
5 - 1125BC
Lux 10%
Oka founded (River mouth)
Curraghs explore
IBT
India asks us to move our units (Curragh) - I agree
6 - 1100BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
IBT
Oil Springs Barracks - Chariot
7 - 1075BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
Lux 20%
IBT
Akwesasne Worker - Worker
Tyendenaga Worker - Worker
Cuzco (Inca) completes Mausolleum
8 - 1050BC
Contact Sumeria (Annoyed) - they are up BW, Masonry, WC, Mysticism & Philosophy
India & Sumeria are at war
Workers work
Curraghs explore
IBT
Sumeria asks us to move our Curragh
Salamanca Settler - Settler
9 - 1025BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
Lux 10%
We could buy WC from India for 250gp but I decide to try & wait until we get another contact, further reducing the price
IBT
Machu Picchu (Inca) completes Great Wall
10 - 1000BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
Notes
The Settler in the North is heading for 3NE Cattaraugus (to capture the Furs).
The Settler in the East can settle on site (captures Game).
India will sell WC for 250gp. I think it might be worth waiting until we make another contact - unless anybody fancies a mounted Warrior rush against the Indians right now
Grand River will pop the Settler in the inter-turn ( I screwed up by improving tiles ready for the replacement town
)
Overview
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Ted
Pre-flight checks... OK
IBT
Salamanca Settler - Settler
Niagara Falls Worker - Barracks
1 - 1225BC
Settler heads North to river mouth
Settler arrives on site
Curragh continues around coast
Lux 10%
Buy CB for 369gp - we need a counter to the Temple of Artemis
IBT
Centralia Warrior - Temple
2 - 1200BC
Kahnawake founded (NW Wheat) getting a skilled Warrior from the GH
Curragh continues
IBT
NTR
3 - 1175BC
Caughnawaga founded (on lakeside)
Curragh continues
Grand River MMed for Settler + Growth in 7 turns
Lux 20% (Salamanca)
IBT
We get the Forbidden Palace message
Cattaraugus Curragh - Temple
India start Hanging Gardens
4 - 1150BC
Settler arrive on site
Curraghs explore
Workers work
Warriors block Indian Settler/Warrior pair in the SE
IBT
Salamanca Settler - Settler
Allegheny Chariot - Chariot
Tonawanda Warrior - Worker
Lagos (Portugal) completes Great Lighthouse
5 - 1125BC
Lux 10%
Oka founded (River mouth)
Curraghs explore
IBT
India asks us to move our units (Curragh) - I agree
6 - 1100BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
IBT
Oil Springs Barracks - Chariot
7 - 1075BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
Lux 20%
IBT
Akwesasne Worker - Worker
Tyendenaga Worker - Worker
Cuzco (Inca) completes Mausolleum
8 - 1050BC
Contact Sumeria (Annoyed) - they are up BW, Masonry, WC, Mysticism & Philosophy
India & Sumeria are at war
Workers work
Curraghs explore
IBT
Sumeria asks us to move our Curragh
Salamanca Settler - Settler
9 - 1025BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
Lux 10%
We could buy WC from India for 250gp but I decide to try & wait until we get another contact, further reducing the price
IBT
Machu Picchu (Inca) completes Great Wall
10 - 1000BC
Workers work
Curraghs explore
Notes
The Settler in the North is heading for 3NE Cattaraugus (to capture the Furs).
The Settler in the East can settle on site (captures Game).
India will sell WC for 250gp. I think it might be worth waiting until we make another contact - unless anybody fancies a mounted Warrior rush against the Indians right now
Grand River will pop the Settler in the inter-turn ( I screwed up by improving tiles ready for the replacement town
)Overview
The save is > here <
Ted
Nad
Known Troublemaker
wow. I'm very impressed...we have managed to complete the landgrab, including our fair share, by 1000BC on Sid 
Long may India and Sumeria fight! Hopefully a few razes will allow us to nick more sites.
Ouch on ceremonial burial
... I think that is the most expensive I've ever seen it bought for, but what can you expect from a Sid monopolist...still, some expanded borders will be nice to fill the gaps.
So far so good...I think our aims now should be:
1) get some infra going...granaries, temples etc
2) get lots of curraghs out to find the other civs, with a view to using contacts to re-enter the brokering loop.
3) get plenty of defensive units going. Not much use doing a superb landgrab if we lose half the cities as soon as an AI gets itchy.
Long may India and Sumeria fight! Hopefully a few razes will allow us to nick more sites.
Ouch on ceremonial burial
... I think that is the most expensive I've ever seen it bought for, but what can you expect from a Sid monopolist...still, some expanded borders will be nice to fill the gaps.So far so good...I think our aims now should be:
1) get some infra going...granaries, temples etc
2) get lots of curraghs out to find the other civs, with a view to using contacts to re-enter the brokering loop.
3) get plenty of defensive units going. Not much use doing a superb landgrab if we lose half the cities as soon as an AI gets itchy.
Nad
Known Troublemaker
Also, what do people think about the FP? I would suggest either Niagara Falls or Grand River (as soon as it is resettled) get cracking on it immediately...it would be a massive boost to have the FP ready and complete by the end of the BC years.
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Hi Nad,
Our biggest threat at the moment is India' s culture. We could really have done without them getting the Temple of Artemis.
I agree with your points but, as usual, there are too many things needed and we have to decide on our priorities
I didn't start any more Curraghs as the map didn't look good for naval exploration when I started my turns but we should keep an eye on that. I started several Temples and went for Chariots as our military builds with a view to their upgrade path.
Ted
Our biggest threat at the moment is India' s culture. We could really have done without them getting the Temple of Artemis.
I agree with your points but, as usual, there are too many things needed and we have to decide on our priorities
I didn't start any more Curraghs as the map didn't look good for naval exploration when I started my turns but we should keep an eye on that. I started several Temples and went for Chariots as our military builds with a view to their upgrade path.
Ted
Nad
Known Troublemaker
Ted: I didn't mean that you should have done the points outlined . I think you did exactly the right things in your turns . I'm thinking about the medium-term future, the next 50-60 turns...in those turns we should look to get into contacts, get some defence and get some culture/infra. Sure there are many demands on our limited resources and we're certainly not going to get everything we want, but we're gonna try to get as much as we can
. I think you did exactly the right things in your turns . I'm thinking about the medium-term future, the next 50-60 turns...in those turns we should look to get into contacts, get some defence and get some culture/infra. Sure there are many demands on our limited resources and we're certainly not going to get everything we want, but we're gonna try to get as much as we can
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
We seem to have our wires crossed Nad
I was simply intending to agree with you and outline what I'd done and where I thought our shields are best spent. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Ted
I was simply intending to agree with you and outline what I'd done and where I thought our shields are best spent. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Ted
Nad
Known Troublemaker
Ok, let's forget about the confusion
What do you think about the FP?
What do you think about the FP?
Aggie
Deity
Both FP suggestions aren't superb (niagra falls odly has no river, Grand River will be quite low on shields), but I agree that we want it very quickly. How about Oil Springs.
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Nad
Known Troublemaker
Oil Springs is a bit too close to the capital, I think, and in the wrong direction to the way we'll expand towards, not that that matters too much, so it would be okay.
Niagara Falls could probably build the FP before needing to go to size 7 which is why I suggested that.
Niagara Falls could probably build the FP before needing to go to size 7 which is why I suggested that.
Aggie
Deity
All locations are fine with me, the FP hasn't got the benefits it once had. So unless I'm very much mistaken the place doesn't matter. I like your thinking about Niagra Falls by the way.
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Sorry for de-lurking, but I think the placement of the FP still does matter, a bit at least. From what I've read it seems that any city that is between the FP and the palace has their corruption go up, so placing the FP in a first, maybe second ring city will net the best results. Maybe my understanding is flawed, but Niagara would be a good choice if that was the case. Take it easy, and good luck on Sid.
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As I understand FP would still act like a second palace for distance corruption, but not rank corruption. I don't see why it would cause the above situation. Building an FP should never increase corruption in ANY city.
Sounds like 1.00 behavior with corruption bug.
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
Yes, the FP acts as a new palace with regard to distance corruption. If you place it at the right distance it can MASSIVELY affect your empire.
Aggie
Deity
anarres, where would you place it?
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
IMO this placement is optimal. The FP is in Breda, and with a couple of cities to the N and NE it will be perfect.
This is a deity game with 1 other human in, but the whole area was settled before contact was made with them, so it is the same as an SP game in terms of Deity achievability.
This is a deity game with 1 other human in, but the whole area was settled before contact was made with them, so it is the same as an SP game in terms of Deity achievability.
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
Utrecht is a "not bad" second choice, and certainly where the FP would have been built in "tighter" circumstances.
Aggie
Deity
I guess that Niagra Falls would be the best choice, given the info of anarres? Our empire is smaller, but the cities to the west would profit from this FP location. OTOH Grand River may be better if we look at the future growth of our empire (here I am being very optimistic). This city has better land close to it for new cities.
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
Without a shadow of a doubt Grand River is the best in terms of placement, unless you think India will never be beaten.
Looking at the continent I really wouldn't recommend it anywere else. Niagra Falls is my #2 choice, but is actually much worse in terms of long-term expansion.
Looking at the continent I really wouldn't recommend it anywere else. Niagra Falls is my #2 choice, but is actually much worse in terms of long-term expansion.
Aggie
Deity
IHT: Things are looking great. But Grand River is size three at the moment, I let it starve to 2. Also two cities can worker tiles with more commerce while still producing as fast. I agree to try to find other contact before buying the next tech.
Turn 1 (975 BC) Chondote founded, starts warrior. Luxury to 20%, because of Salamanca.
IT: Grand River: settler, and abandoned. Allegheny: chariot->temple. Oil Springs: chariot->granary. St. Regis: chariot (regular!)->barracks. Kahnawake: wokrer->temple.
Turn 2 (950 BC) Cataraugus would riot, so I turn a laborer into a scientist. Science to 0%.
IT: I let Oka riot (size two, not connected with roads)
Salamanca: settler->worker.
Turn 3 (925 BC) Gandasetaigon founded near furs. Starts with a warrior. Grand River refounded, starting with the Forbidden Palace. Lux back to 10%.
I establish an embassy in Ur. They have two clowns -starving the city-, run 40% science and are in the Golden Age.
IT: India wants us to to fight with themagainst Sumeria. I say no.
Niagara Falls: barracks->Temple.
Turn 4 (900 BC)
IT: Salamanca: worker->worker. Tonawanda: worker->curragh.
Turn 5 (875 BC) nothing much
IT: Oka: warrior->worker. India finishes the Hanging Gardens.
Turn 6 (850 BC) Gayahaahe founded. Starts with worker. Furs connected. Lux tax to 0%. We now make 50 gpt. 50 gpt and 476 is enough to get India doubting to sell us monopoly Map Making.We could buy Philosophy from Sumeria (for 36 gpt and 476 gold), but I think it will not bring us enough. I still hope for new contacts.
IT: Salamanca: worker->worker.
Turn 7 (825 BC) Temple in Centralia is whipped.
IT: Centralia: temple->Granary. Akwesasne: worker->curragh. Tyendenaga: worker->temple.
Turn 8 (800 BC) India now has Philo. They also have Map Making, which Sumeria lacks.
IT: Salamanca: worker->worker.
Tturn 9 (775 BC) Temple in Cattaraugus is whipped.
IT: I see a galley of a strange colour close to our curragh in the SE Cattaraugus: temple granary.
Turn 10 (750 BC) We meet the Portuguese, who are Medieval by now (constructing Sun Tzu).
I establish an emvassy for 122 gold. They have Sun Zsu in 10, have Zeus and The Oracle in Lisbon and also are in the GA, as a Republic. The Lighthouse gave them the GA. They DON'T know Literature. They do know Sumeria and India.
Tyendenaga is put on a lone scientist. Lit in 12. Close to the Portuguese galleys our curragh sees whales on the other side of the see. Should be try a suicide curragh move?
I stop here to discuss about trading. What now? Sumeria lacks Map Making, a tech we can use to build the more powerful Galley. But we need to spend 30 gpt for that. It probably will net us 2 or 3 techs from Sumeria...
750 BC save
Turn 1 (975 BC) Chondote founded, starts warrior. Luxury to 20%, because of Salamanca.
IT: Grand River: settler, and abandoned. Allegheny: chariot->temple. Oil Springs: chariot->granary. St. Regis: chariot (regular!)->barracks. Kahnawake: wokrer->temple.
Turn 2 (950 BC) Cataraugus would riot, so I turn a laborer into a scientist. Science to 0%.
IT: I let Oka riot (size two, not connected with roads)
Salamanca: settler->worker. Turn 3 (925 BC) Gandasetaigon founded near furs. Starts with a warrior. Grand River refounded, starting with the Forbidden Palace. Lux back to 10%.
I establish an embassy in Ur. They have two clowns -starving the city-, run 40% science and are in the Golden Age.
IT: India wants us to to fight with themagainst Sumeria. I say no.
Niagara Falls: barracks->Temple.
Turn 4 (900 BC)
IT: Salamanca: worker->worker. Tonawanda: worker->curragh.
Turn 5 (875 BC) nothing much
IT: Oka: warrior->worker. India finishes the Hanging Gardens.
Turn 6 (850 BC) Gayahaahe founded. Starts with worker. Furs connected. Lux tax to 0%. We now make 50 gpt. 50 gpt and 476 is enough to get India doubting to sell us monopoly Map Making.We could buy Philosophy from Sumeria (for 36 gpt and 476 gold), but I think it will not bring us enough. I still hope for new contacts.
IT: Salamanca: worker->worker.
Turn 7 (825 BC) Temple in Centralia is whipped.
IT: Centralia: temple->Granary. Akwesasne: worker->curragh. Tyendenaga: worker->temple.
Turn 8 (800 BC) India now has Philo. They also have Map Making, which Sumeria lacks.
IT: Salamanca: worker->worker.
Tturn 9 (775 BC) Temple in Cattaraugus is whipped.
IT: I see a galley of a strange colour close to our curragh in the SE
Cattaraugus: temple granary.Turn 10 (750 BC) We meet the Portuguese, who are Medieval by now (constructing Sun Tzu).
I establish an emvassy for 122 gold. They have Sun Zsu in 10, have Zeus and The Oracle in Lisbon and also are in the GA, as a Republic. The Lighthouse gave them the GA. They DON'T know Literature. They do know Sumeria and India.
Tyendenaga is put on a lone scientist. Lit in 12. Close to the Portuguese galleys our curragh sees whales on the other side of the see. Should be try a suicide curragh move?
I stop here to discuss about trading. What now? Sumeria lacks Map Making, a tech we can use to build the more powerful Galley. But we need to spend 30 gpt for that. It probably will net us 2 or 3 techs from Sumeria...
750 BC save
