Agares's intentions?

[Blakmane]

Hi fellow lore junkies

As I was reading through the civlopedia earlier today, I started thinking. Is Agares's intention is to destroy creation/erebus, or just convert them to evil? Os-gabella, the armageddon counter etc are all geared towards the destruction of creation or at least erebus.

However, there's a glaring inconsistency here. The Compact was forged because the gods realised that their struggle was going to destroy erebus and possibly creation. But why would Agares particularly care about this? So you would deduce from this that Agares must be about converting erebus/creation to hell.

but

If Agares's intentions are to convert creation, not destroy it, why is Os-gabella on side? Surely a world of despair and evil is just the same as any other world for all she cares- she wants it all gone. I know of only one way in the lore to utterly end everything, and that's for the One to enter creation prematurely. So from that logic, wouldn't Os-gabella be against Agares, with her own plans to drag the One into creation early?

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Unless she's playing Agares for a fool, helping the god gain in strength in the hope that the One will give up and end everything

 

[Ajidica]

IIRC, Agares wants to spite the One and have him destroy creation because it has been corrupted. Agares wants to destroy creation because the One removed the abilities of the Angels to create.

 

[Darksaber1]

Yep, to spite the One, Agares want's the One to destroy creation, and prove he is no better then himself (Agares having destroyed his secret world long ago). Os-Gabelle might not realize this is what Agares wants, but she wants the One to destroy creation, since she thinks that will finally allow her to die.

 

[Blakmane]

Yep, to spite the One, Agares want's the One to destroy creation, and prove he is no better then himself (Agares having destroyed his secret world long ago). Os-Gabelle might not realize this is what Agares wants, but she wants the One to destroy creation, since she thinks that will finally allow her to die.

Then why did he agree to the compact? As I stated in the OP, this is in direct contradiction with the idea that the gods signed the compact because their war was threatening the existence of creation.

 

[XenoSaber]

If I'm not mistaken, Dagda and the 6 'neutral' Angels declared that they would fight either of the two warring sides that continued to wage war. So if the evil Angels decided to continue fighting, suddenly they would be facing 14 Angels, and not just 7. Agares may be powerful, but not that powerful, so he was essentially forced to.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Agares was already loosing the war when the compact was proposed, so he benefited from the Compact. He and his angels tended to be better at using humans as pawns than the good gods were, so he figured that a false peace would help their side more. He made sure there were enough loopholes for him to keep fighting.

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

? Interesting, how was he loosing the war?

 

[Fenboy]

It's stated in the Beltane cycle that Sucellus and Danalin joined the 'good' side towards the end, and Odio's entry implies that Kilmorph was likewise on the same side. 9-7 odds may not be great, but it certainly implies a losing fight.

/interesting considering the current odds are 6-8

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

True but each god is not equal in power, Agares is stronger than the other gods (though i wonder why). Mulcarn gave a good smack down to one of them as well. It seems like the One made the "bad" gods stronger than the goody ones.

 

[Tyrs]

Does a god's strength have anything to do with how many angels they make? Cause Agares didn't make any, so if he didn't give any of his strength to his angels, then he would have all of it himself

 

[Darksaber1]

Yep, Agares didn't create any Archangels (which are a notable portion of a gods power, see Sucellus), and I don't think he created a Dragon, which is also a good portion (see Amathaon, who gave up a lot of power, and created Eurebrates, the post powerful dragon.)

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Just to be clear, it has never been explicitly stated that creating angels, dragons, etc., actually weaken a god. It seems reasonable, and believe I was the first to propose it, but it hasn't officially been confirmed.

Since the angels and archangels were created after The One took away the power of creation and since they seem to have intelligence, free will, and the ability to use magic, which require a Divine Spark, it seems like they would have to have been formed from a portion of the god's soul. The Divine spark is something that only The One could create out of nothing, with all later divine sparks being descendants from the original 21. (I also tend to think that the God Nemed had his soul split in to to create the human Nemed and Gabella, as Gabella's mastery of Dimensional magic shows she definitely has a Divine Spark. It also makes me think that the Dwarven creation story is really just a myth.) The fact that Sucellus was seen as a weak god whose archangel was the strongest of them all and the fact that Amathon seems to be a fairly weak god too but his Dragon is described as the strongest being ever created (presumably meaning the strongest the angels created, not as strong as The One's creations) seem to support it.


Agares did create many inhabitants for Nyx before his rebellion was revealed, but this was before the power of Creation was taken away so presumably this creation would not diminish his power at all. He destroyed all of these to spite The One.


All the gods/angels possess different types of power, so a straight comparison of who is stronger doesn't often make much sense.

It is known that Cernunnos is the weakest god, and will probably never be able to really compete with gods actually created by The One.

 

[Mailbox]

I wonder how strong Taranis was, considering he received a single aspect of Mulcarn and that aspect gives him something close to immortality. I also like the idea that when Mulcarn gave up the aspect of Stasis, he lost that himself and that's why he's been a very proactive god.

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

Also don't forget that a God may be able to increase his power by consuming the souls of other beings. I wonder how much power Agares got from Cernunnos's son?

 

[rusty217]

I wonder how strong Taranis was, considering he received a single aspect of Mulcarn and that aspect gives him something close to immortality. I also like the idea that when Mulcarn gave up the aspect of Stasis, he lost that himself and that's why he's been a very proactive god.

Taranis was able to put up a decent fight against Sucellus. His immortality meant Sucellus could not beat him, but he was also not strong enough to beat a god. So the battle could have lasted for much longer, but Sucellus trapped Taranis on an island, so that he could go and fight with Mulcarn...


As for Agares' intentions, the compact must work very well for him. What better way to prove that creation was flawed than showing the one that they corrupted and destroyed themselves rather than him destroying them...

Os-Gabella probably doesn't know too much about Agares' intentions or the one, so she is just trying to cause the thing that would be most likely to kill her, armegeddon.

 

[Blakmane]

Os-Gabella probably doesn't know too much about Agares' intentions or the one, so she is just trying to cause the thing that would be most likely to kill her, armegeddon.

I would think Os-Gabella knows quite a bit- after all, she is unbelievably old. You have to remember that the average ashen veil follower has no idea that they are bringing about armageddon at all, they just think they are gaining power in return for some 'changes' to the world.