Age II 'mid era' Naval Unit. 'Caravel'.

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So far the name is not confirmed but icon seems to indicate that it could be caravel. The default appearance however is clearly Cog (likely those of 13th or 14th Century)
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^ Should this name be chosen ? Or under what reasons Firaxis choose this name?I don't think Cogs are related to caravels. since origins are very different.
 
"Cog" may be the most descriptive term, but it's not a term that most players would probably recognize. They've used "Caravel" consistently in the past for the early sailing ship, so I think that name is likely. However, it's anyone's guess at to what name they actually use.

I know I've said before that names don't really matter that much, but it's especially true in Civ7 when there will be wildly different regional variations of units under the same name, as we've seen with the Shawnee Knight. There are Asian variants of these ships that are going to have the same name and icon but look nothing like what that name suggests.

Western:
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"Cog" may be the most descriptive term, but it's not a term that most players would probably recognize. They've used "Caravel" consistently in the past for the early sailing ship, so I think that name is likely. However, it's anyone's guess at to what name they actually use.

I know I've said before that names don't really matter that much, but it's especially true in Civ7 when there will be wildly different regional variations of units under the same name, as we've seen with the Shawnee Knight. There are Asian variants of these ships that are going to have the same name and icon but look nothing like what that name suggests.

Western:
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Eastern:
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I think any discussion would be better related to the capabilities of the various ships rather than their titles: as posted, they appear to be grouping a wide variety of regional variations and types all under the same Tech/Type of Unit.

The principle, and important distinction is between those vessels that were truely Ocean-Going and those that were not. In this case, that, I think, eliminates the Cog simply because, although a very efficient freight-carrying ship and easily converted into a warship, it did not have the range and capability for long-range open-Ocean travel.

Since that kind of traffic is more or less Implied for the Exploration Age, and the Caravel, Carrack and Galleon were the first ships with such capabilities, I suspect that one of those will be used. The major distinction between them was that the late Carracks and early Galleons were much more efficient Freight haulers, while the Caravel was the best light scouting/exploration vessel: it depends on what they want to Emphasize: Exploration or Trade, with the very late Exploration Age ships.

What is also confusing is that the graphics shown (so far) show several different types: the third Western ship shown is a late (post 13th century) Cog with the built-in castles fore-and-aft the foreshadow the Carracks or Caravels, while the fourth Western ship above has the configuration of a Carrack or Galleon (multiple masts with both square and lateen sails, high stern castles). The Eastern ships above show four variations all presumably from the same Age/Tech, which is either going to be massively confusing or (I think more likely) represents a combination of 'Trade Route' graphics, military Units and UUs. We need some more Exploration Age reveals!
 
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The Eastern ships above show four variations all presumably from the same Age/Tech, which is either going to be massively confusing or (I think more likely) represents a combination of 'Trade Route' graphics, military Units and UUs. We need some more Exploration Age reveals!
The first two ships from the left are, I'm fairly sure (through process of elimination via other ships shown in the same clips), Eastern variants of the Galley and (Trireme), respectively. The second two I'm not as sure of; they may be unique units, but I'm pretty sure they're not trade units or embarked units, which appear to have less variation. I hope we will see a lot more in the Exploration stream next week.

In each case these ships are looking nice! :)
The details are great (love the rigging and crews) as is the variation, though I agree that the latter will make unit recognition harder.
 
The first two ships from the left are, I'm fairly sure (through process of elimination via other ships shown in the same clips), Eastern variants of the Galley and (Trireme), respectively.
Is there any in-game proof that the second ship is a trireme? I ask this because the Western variant has a ballista and a tower on top of the deck.
 
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"Cog" may be the most descriptive term, but it's not a term that most players would probably recognize. They've used "Caravel" consistently in the past for the early sailing ship, so I think that name is likely. However, it's anyone's guess at to what name they actually use.

I know I've said before that names don't really matter that much, but it's especially true in Civ7 when there will be wildly different regional variations of units under the same name, as we've seen with the Shawnee Knight. There are Asian variants of these ships that are going to have the same name and icon but look nothing like what that name suggests.



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so the emblem could actually be Eastern variants of that time. and thus the name could actually be 'Sails' or 'Sailer' (Civ 1) or just 'Roundship' . since unit enabling tech is placed in the same row as trebuchet. which has to be 12th Century. and it was the time cogs are first used in war.
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And an essays said the decline and end of North European Longships
And this essays that cogs eventually beacme as fast as any galleys and eventually replaced them as warships.
 
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So, from the Exploration Age stream, here are revised definition that I have seen so far:

Cog (Western and Eastern versions)
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Carrack
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Fleet Commander (center vessel)
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(Embarked Army Commander)
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Treasure Fleet
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Note that the "Galleon" is visibly different from the Carrack, and also different from the Fleet Commander. I think this is the Tier 3 unit. Name unconfirmed.
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Note that the Cog converts directly and automatically from an Antiquity vessel at the beginning of the Exploration Age, so it seems likely that the Carrack is still unlocked at Shipbuilding and the Galleon is probably unlocked at Gunpowder.

While I really like the subtle and relatively accurate distinctions between the units, telling the Carrack, Fleet Commander and Galleon apart at a glance is going to be challenging.
 
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So, from the Exploration Age stream, here are revised definition that I have seen so far:

Cog (Western and Eastern versions)
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Carrack
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Fleet Commander (center vessel)
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(Embarked Army Commander)
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Treasure Fleet
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Note that the "Galleon" is visibly different from the Carrack, and also different from the Fleet Commander. I think this is the Tier 3 unit. Name unconfirmed.
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Note that the Cog converts directly and automatically from an Antiquity vessel at the beginning of the Exploration Age, so it seems likely that the Carrack is still unlocked at Shipbuilding and the Galleon is probably unlocked at Gunpowder.

While I really like the subtle and relatively accurate distinctions between the units, telling the Carrack, Fleet Commander and Galleon apart at a glance is going to be challenging.
Since the Cog was, in fact, a development of the earlier knorr 'round ship' and first appears before 1000 CE, it makes a near-perfect 'automatic upgrade' from earlier ships.

And the graphic for the Treasure Fleet is pretty obviously taken from the 'Flota Galleons' that composed the Spanish Treasure Fleets between the Caribbean and Spain, the New World and Manila.

Note that both the "Galleon"/Treasure Fleet and Fleet Commander all have multiple foresails, whereas the Carrack has only a single foresail. At first glance, that appears to be an unmistakable way to tell them apart, unless an 'Eastern Variant' has a different configuration entirely.
 
Since the Cog was, in fact, a development of the earlier knorr 'round ship' and first appears before 1000 CE, it makes a near-perfect 'automatic upgrade' from earlier ships.

And the graphic for the Treasure Fleet is pretty obviously taken from the 'Flota Galleons' that composed the Spanish Treasure Fleets between the Caribbean and Spain, the New World and Manila.

Note that both the "Galleon"/Treasure Fleet and Fleet Commander all have multiple foresails, whereas the Carrack has only a single foresail. At first glance, that appears to be an unmistakable way to tell them apart, unless an 'Eastern Variant' has a different configuration entirely.
1. As warship however i'm not sure if roundships like that were used as such, with castellations added temporarily. Note that a cog shows here already has axial rudder, while Knorrs (including Norman Nefs), and Cogs begun with quarter rudders (steering oars, either single steering at the starboard side or dual steerings.) and about as high as any galley, it later evolved.
but lemme guess, the reasons cogs were used was because early Medieval Kingdoms were too broke to afford a real navy, instead they've gotta hire merchant ships. They all know that at that time, galleys were better warships. but these were too expensive to build and maintain (and oarsmen were a drain in treasury, one galley needs about 30-50 oarsmen at minimum, and these oarsmen were preferably hired labors), in the end anything that can be use as warship is used.
As per old rules, they were best being archers ship, New rules, not sure but cogs (or roundships in general) are slower than galleys under sails... aren't they?
'Cog' is used as a name. while the introductory ingame standard (European) appearance is very clear. emblem, however, is not.

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^ I can't recall if a cog has two masts and latin sails from the beginning. Historically by 400 AD, galleys were still a primary warships. mmm cog replaces galley and polyremes when aging up?


It might be Mediterranean variants used by Crusaders. But no one in the Mediterranean used these as warships.
As much as modding community does historical research when doing a unit mod. FXis is surely collecting history books of all kinds.
But Eurocentrism is still prevalent there. Mediterranean uses of Dromons (everyone) is ignored)
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^ This is what emblem comes from. a cog with Latin sails. and built with Caravel plankings rather than clinkers.
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^ The other orgins of emblems. Crusaders Nef of King Richard I 'The Lionheart'. also latin sails (possibly sails switched when this ship entered Mediterranean, the hull should be clinker builts so to conform with English Shipbuilding Traditions of the 12th-13th Century).

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^ Spanish Cocha and Ming Chinese Roundship meeting each other. mm IMAO Cog should be Tier 2. while Dromon should be Beginning of Exploration Age ships. Cogs didn't shine as warships until the First Crusades in 12th-13th Century.
2. Mugshot of a spanish (Better name is Castillian) fleet .
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^ Caravela or Carrack if you will. The rigging is clearly Carrack to me. Firaxis tends to mislabel Carracks with Caravels. i'm not sure what will @raen says if these ships are Caravelas or Naus. to me it better be Carracks.
The design however came about the same time as 'trebuchet' but IRL this one came about 14th Century. mmmm I'm not sure when did cogs get second and third mast before becoming a full carrack
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^ Unit name confirmed. "Carrack". and Ming Empire ditched their traditional designs (including those of Zheng He) and instead adopted Portuguese Naus. So far only Japanese did.
3. Did triangular foresails exists as early as 15th-16th Century?
 
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