Yes, that has got it. The new file works, the others do not. I looked for the 50 Civs dll but didn't find it. If you want, go ahead and post the new version of the other 5 games and I will run shadows for you. I will also run each game with vassals turned on as that more closely resembles how I, and I believe most players, play. In my replay the victory went to . . . Spoiler : Just kidding, you are going to have to wait a week before I reveal it. Spoiler : No, I wouldn't do that, but I will wait until I have the version with vassals on completed before posting. Sorry.