AI refusing gold per turn?

[kb2tvl]

If my civ is very weak or i have poor relations with that civ, I will be unable to even give them 1 gpt as a gift!

This should be a warning that this civ will be attacking you soon.

Any time you cant get a gpt deal, you better start tooling up for war or enlisting allies.

 

[hbdragon88]

Frequently I have techs that other civs don't have, but I see what they have to negoitate. The deal usually sucks--world map and 20 gold for Theory of Gravity--so I say never mind. Does this affect your reputation? I've done this at least 30 times in every game.

 

[kb2tvl]

I think reputation is more related to breaking a 20 turn deal and not refusing to give away your stuff. However, the computer sees your score and tries to compensate for its lack of score.

If the computer does not see itself gaining on you, it will try to take from you what it can however it can.

 

[Admiral Rimmer]

I think what another civ offers you is based on its needs combined with it cash flow - i had Rome offering me 1 gold for a tech they needed, but they were just plain broke - question is, do you take a low offer (better than nothing) or do you just deny them the tech?

Anger or appease, I suppose it comes down to...

 

[sunround]

I thinked before that "will never accept" means that opponent doesn't have enough money to provide asking amount gold per turn.

But now I see, it also depends from my reputation. Once I played game with betraying to every allianse. And many civs rejected any trade suggestion, even when I asked them to answer, what they will pay me for resources and techs. Nothing!

And once, I has long friendship with India, and suggested one tech. They gave me 400 gold lump, and 80 per turn. (all patches installed, no expansion pack). And India stopped be annoyed, and started polite toward again.

I don't remember what exactly tech was, - one which gives single world wonder, like music teory.

 

[pstanhag]

Ok this is my experience, the AI has 2 constrants when offering gold per turn. They have to have enough to budget it, and what you are offering has to have the appropriate value.

example 1
The AI will give you 1 gpt ("They will probably accept") for a tech but not 2gpt ("I doubt they will accept"). In this case the AI can afford the 2gpt but doesn't think the tech is worth 2 gpt.

example 2
The AI will give you 1 gpt (will probably accept) for a tech but not 2gpt (They would never...). In this case the AI can't afford 2gpt.

example 3
The AI will give you 50 gold lump sum(will probably accept) for a tech but not 1gpt (They would never...). In this case the AI can't afford 1 gpt.

So what I do when trying to get the best deal from the AI is up the gpt by one to see his response. If he says "They would never accept" this means he cant afford it, so I just try to get a l lump sum if he has any.

If he says 'This would be acceptable' then I know he has the money and I can keep changing the gpt to find the best deal, until he says "I doubt they would accept"

On the flip side the only reason the AI wont consider your gpt at its appropriate value is if it doesn't trust you.

 

[hbdragon88]

If you try 'em cheap them out, doesn't that hurt your reputation?

 

[fritzdog]

The "never accept this deal" definitely applies where what you ask for exceeds their per turn income and wealth position.

The same is true when you get a "never accept this deal" when you propose to pay per turn. The advisor tells the AI that you are promising more than your income and wealth position. NOTE: You can change this if you go to the sliders and reduce science or entertainment, such that you have a positive income.

One last very interesting thing is that, once you get Wall Street, you can arbitrage the interest rates. The computer loans out gold at 1 per turn=16 gold now. Because of compounding, this is equal to a 2.2% interest rate. Yet the 16 you collect from the computer earns a 5% interest rate! You borrow at 2.2%, invest at 5%. This means you have about 8 gold left after paying what you owe at the end of 20 turns from the computer's money.

The exact magnitude of your profit depends on how much you borrow because of rounding up/down on the interest. Still, this is an easy way to pick up extra gold at the computer's expense. Once I have Wall Street, I like to use my gold to buy techs and upgrade pieces. Then I make deals where I make per turn payments and receive their gold. Then I leave the gold lying around to earn interest. Or if I spend it, I figure the "investment" is generating some kind of return.

 

[Wardog]

Once I sold Motorized Transportation for 210 gold per turn.

 

[hbdragon88]

That is a definite sophosticated way to use Wall Street. I use it so I can push up my science/lux sliders to a comfortable level (and if I'm sinking in my treasury)

Motorized Transportation in my opinion isn't really worth it - soon enough Modern Armor replaces Tanks/Panzars. Yet you must if you have to advance.