Alfabet vs Writing

shloud it be writing instead of alfabet?

  • Yes, its stupid that you have an alfabet when u cant write

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • No, firaxis made it good and it is

    Votes: 11 73.3%

  • Total voters
    15

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Dont you think it is stupid that you can discover alfabet but you cant write with it before you have discovered writing, i mean it should be the other way round becorse writing was inventet many years before the alfabet(hieroglyphs, cuneiform).
 
Must... resist....obvious...shot.



(hint: alphabet
 
Give the guy a break, he is Danish and speaking a second language.

FM_Freyland, how many sentences can you say in Danish, pal?

:p
 
The Irony is unbearable!!! ;) But still... I think it's alright the way it is, doesn;t really give me any problems
 
What strikes me as strange is that you can talk to other leaders without having an alphabet.
 
Originally posted by Silverflame
What strikes me as strange is that you can talk to other leaders without having an alphabet.

You can talk without having an alphabet!
 
lol the point is sound!! :lol:
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling

FM_Freyland, how many sentences can you say in Danish, pal?

:p


Bunches! In fact, I am saying them right now! Can ya hear me? :cool:




I am just teasing him. It was too hard to resist that particular spelling error because the topic was about 'writing'. :D


Jonathan
 
The entire tech tree is BS if you ask me - but they did have to put words to the tech steps, so i guess it is OK as it is......
 
I never even thought about that. But you've got a point (although it's not really that big a deal). And I don't think the soulution would be to switch them, because that would mean that even after you discover writing, you would have to have an alphabet before you could establish embassies and exchange communications (and whatever else you get to do after discovering writing), and that wouldn't make sense. If anything, maybe "alphabet" should be switched to "words" or "communication." Although of course words and communication were thought of long before the game starts.
 
lol we've got the Civ3 version of the Chicken and the Egg" here!!

It's got to be put in someway, and unless anyone can think of a better way to do it our option is Alphabet -> Writing.
 
An alphabet is defined as a system of characters or symbols representing sounds or things. Isn't that what hieroglyphs and cuneiform are?
 
It important to know what the game designers meant by "alphabet" and "writing" when they created the technology tree for the game.

Here is the description of "Alphabet" straight out of the Civ 3 civilopedia:

"The ancestors of modern alphabets were the iconographic and ideographic symbols developed by ancient man, such as cuneiform and hieroglyphics. The first known alphabet, a combination of a number of early pictographic symbols known as North Semitic, was developed between 1700 and 1500 BC. Four other alphabets, South Semitic, Canaanite, Aramaic, and Greek, had evolved from the North Semitic alphabet by 1000 BC. The Roman alphabet, used by all the languages of Western Europe including English, was derived from the Greek alphabet sometime after 500 BC. The Roman alphabet became one of the most widespread due to the extensive use of the Latin language
during the reign of the Roman Empire. The development of alphabets was significant in the development of advanced civilizations because it allowed history and ideas to be written down, rather than memorized and passed along orally."


Here is the description of "Writing" as per the civilopedia:

"The development of writing is considered one of the most important advances of civilization. The earliest forms of writing were simple symbols and marks, used to keep accounts and inventories. Some cultures developed pictographic symbols to tell stories and record events. Eventually, complete systems of writing were developed, capable of conveying any thought that could be expressed orally. At this point, scribes replaced the oral historian as the chief keepers of records. Writing allowed the presentation of information in a form that could be reliably transmitted from person to person and made it possible for ideas, history, and knowledge to be stored permanently and passed
between cultures more reliably than through oral recitation."


I'd have to say Firaxis "got it right" considering what their definitions were of "writing" and "alphabet" (pertaining to the game).
 
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