All Things Star Wars

[r16]

vader recognizes the droids when and wherever he sees them . Knows their significance . The entire plot of IV revolves around Tarkin fooled to let the plans be taken to the Rebel Alliance so that he can kill them all at one go .

 

[Takhisis]

So what he said was true... from a certain point of view?

These are not the droids you are looking for.

 

[Patine]

vader recognizes the droids when and wherever he sees them . Knows their significance . The entire plot of IV revolves around Tarkin fooled to let the plans be taken to the Rebel Alliance so that he can kill them all at one go .

No, that was only because he knew Obi-wan had been with them.

 

[r16]

you are missing the movie before Rouge .

 

[Patine]

you are missing the movie before Rouge .

I haven't watched any of the Disney-made non-numbered movies or series.

 

[r16]

it hasn't been made yet . Fills the gap after the loss of footage during the shooting of A New Hope .

solo one might argue this way or the other but Rogue , sorry , Rouge is superb despite the eventual trimming to come . Disney Triology thing , will lovingly throw out a lot .

 

[Takhisis]

I haven't watched any of the Disney-made non-numbered movies or series.

You aren't losing out on anything. Rogue One might be the best-written one of Disney's 5 feature-length theatrical releases simply by being OK and even then it's the story of a gang of people already doomed to lose so why would you bother building any connection with any of the characters?

 

[r16]

because quite a number of films do great with already doomed characters ? Unless of course one is ready to object if people survived because that was unrealistic ?

 

[Patine]

because quite a number of films do great with already doomed characters ? Unless of course one is ready to object if people survived because that was unrealistic ?

You aren't losing out on anything. Rogue One might be the best-written one of Disney's 5 feature-length theatrical releases simply by being OK and even then it's the story of a gang of people already doomed to lose so why would you bother building any connection with any of the characters?

Well, I suppose there was, "300," "The Alamo," "The Magnificant Seven," "The Seven Samurai," "Custer's Last Stand," "Zulu," and, "X-Men 3," among others.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, yes, and I did say it was well written, especially when compared to the garbage that was the numbered films, but still it's eminently skippable, unless, of course, you dedicate yourself to every single ‘product’ to try and spot as many cameos as you can. It rounds out to being possibly the only acceptable one out the Disney!Star Wars films that I've watched, i.e. all of them but for Solo.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Yeah, I think people mostly just look past the droids, like rich people do "the help." They see a function rather than a person. We, the viewers of the film, know them as distinct personalities. But most people just see "an R2 unit."

 

[Takhisis]

It doesn't help that, for the viewers, C-3PO and R2-D2 are almost the only robots droids of their type that we see throughout most of the original trilogy and, even afterwars, they are still the only ones that get any characterisation.

 

[Synobun]

You aren't losing out on anything. Rogue One might be the best-written one of Disney's 5 feature-length theatrical releases simply by being OK and even then it's the story of a gang of people already doomed to lose so why would you bother building any connection with any of the characters?

Well, yes, and I did say it was well written, especially when compared to the garbage that was the numbered films, but still it's eminently skippable, unless, of course, you dedicate yourself to every single ‘product’ to try and spot as many cameos as you can. It rounds out to being possibly the only acceptable one out the Disney!Star Wars films that I've watched, i.e. all of them but for Solo.

I feel like this describes... any Star Wars media, ever. It's all eminently skippable. And I say that as a person who has consumed something like 90 to 95% of all Star Wars content out there.

 

[Gorbles]

You aren't losing out on anything. Rogue One might be the best-written one of Disney's 5 feature-length theatrical releases simply by being OK and even then it's the story of a gang of people already doomed to lose so why would you bother building any connection with any of the characters?

I was going to go on a spiel about "why watch the prequels when we know what happens to Vader" but anyhow Syn got the point made for me.

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@Gori the Grey, you might want to reflect that memorable lines relate to a) how old we all are, b) how old we were when we watched each set of movies, c) general (over)exposure to franchised film efforts, and so on, and so on. Reacting incredulously to someone liking something from TLJ is also a factor

Like, everyone knows the Vader line from Bespin, except people often misquote it. People know "do or do not, there is no try". People know all sorts of Palpatine-isms (McDiarmid is a treasure). But as a silly individual who spends a lot of time on social media, I've seen the sand line memed more times than I've been exposed to literally any other line in Star Wars media, ever. For sure. I'm confident of that.

It doesn't make it my favourite in the movie. But it does make it my favourite in a meta-referential kinda way.

Well, that and "Hello there "

 

[Takhisis]

I just checked some Star Wars stuff I have on paper (some even from before The Phantom Menace came out) and no pciture of Yoda I have has a lazer sword, dinky or otherwise. Nor does he have any blasters on him.

I was going to go on a spiel about "why watch the prequels when we know what happens to Vader" but anyhow Syn got the point made for me.

Actually we didn't know, except for a vague ‘Anakin was good and fell to the dark side’. In fact, the abovementioned stuff on paper™ mentions Vader as a ‘dark Jedi’ rather than a Sith.
The fall was badly told, especially with telling us who the then-future Emperor was since the beginning (this might have been an attempt at dramatic irony, but badly executed). Also the general underdevelopment of villains' characters and motives, somehow taken to the extreme with, as warpus pointed out back in the day, Phasma.

 

[Patine]

I was going to go on a spiel about "why watch the prequels when we know what happens to Vader" but anyhow Syn got the point made for me.

Not sure if I'd consider that a, "point,"

I just checked some Star Wars stuff I have on paper (some even from before The Phantom Menace came out) and no pciture of Yoda I have has a lazer sword, dinky or otherwise. Nor does he have any blasters on him.


Actually we didn't know, except for a vague ‘Anakin was good and fell to the dark side’. In fact, the abovementioned stuff on paper™ mentions Vader as a ‘dark Jedi’ rather than a Sith.
The fall was badly told, especially with telling us who the then-future Emperor was since the beginning (this might have been an attempt at dramatic irony, but badly executed). Also the general underdevelopment of villains' characters and motives, somehow taken to the extreme with, as warpus pointed out back in the day, Phasma.

I always found the rise of Palpatine, the portrayal of the Jedi as complacent and out-of-touch, the story behind the Clone Wars (and the ramifications of two armies with close to sentient awareness created artificially for war for socieities they're not members or citizens of), and the younger Obi-wan far more of compelling selling points for the Prequels than Anakin's story, myself.

 

[Gorbles]

Actually we didn't know, except for a vague ‘Anakin was good and fell to the dark side’. In fact, the abovementioned stuff on paper™ mentions Vader as a ‘dark Jedi’ rather than a Sith.

We still know he was "doomed to lose" (to Vader).

The vagueness is the point. A story is what happens along the way.

 

[Patine]

I just checked some Star Wars stuff I have on paper (some even from before The Phantom Menace came out) and no pciture of Yoda I have has a lazer sword, dinky or otherwise. Nor does he have any blasters on him.


Actually we didn't know, except for a vague ‘Anakin was good and fell to the dark side’. In fact, the abovementioned stuff on paper™ mentions Vader as a ‘dark Jedi’ rather than a Sith.
The fall was badly told, especially with telling us who the then-future Emperor was since the beginning (this might have been an attempt at dramatic irony, but badly executed). Also the general underdevelopment of villains' characters and motives, somehow taken to the extreme with, as warpus pointed out back in the day, Phasma.

Not sure if I'd consider that a, "point,"


I always found the rise of Palpatine, the portrayal of the Jedi as complacent and out-of-touch, the story behind the Clone Wars (and the ramifications of two armies with close to sentient awareness created artificially for war for socieities they're not members or citizens of), and the younger Obi-wan far more of compelling selling points for the Prequels than Anakin's story, myself.

We still know he was "doomed to lose" (to Vader).

The vagueness is the point. A story is what happens along the way.

As I pointed out, there was a LOT more to the prequels (by far the best parts) aside from the Fall of Anakin Skywalker.

 

[Gorbles]

As I pointed out, there was a LOT more to the prequels (by far the best parts) aside from the Fall of Anakin Skywalker.

There is. But that's one of the central conceits, if not THE one. He's the protagonist, like his son before him (couldn't resist that one).

 

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