AMAZON Diplomacy Discussion

[BLubmuz]

Here is what i think to send to Ama.

Dear Amazon friends,
we noticed your request for Physics. We refuse it, but this can be just a delay.
While we are more than happy to maintain our NAP, we need to make the ETTT inside the NAP more balanced.

As you admitted, we were the locomotive of the ETTT. Now that we're in 4 teams we see no reason to keep the ETTT as it was when we were fighting a common enemy.

More, we see no return in giving techs to you for basically nothing. If we remember correctly the last tech which you gave to the ETTT was Gunpowder. We researched all the expensive (for the time) Medieval and Renaissance techs and also many in the Industrial Era.

Now, one thing is greedily count the beakers, another thing is giving away beakers for nothing. So please, propose something in trade or let's try to discuss a plan for a common research path, where the techs can't be traded to a third party.

Otherwise, we see ourselves constrained to cancel any agreement with any other team including you and to rediscuss any trade separately with any team.

The above can sound harsh, but really i don't see anything different we can say, if we wanna be honest.

 

[Trystero]

We have discussed this before, I think, but I would not accuse Amazon of not contributing to tech research (even if they haven't been). It's not really good diplomacy.

I would ask you what you want from Amazon at this point? For them not to attack us? If so, we need to give them a reason not to attack us.

Even if you simply want to end alll relations with Amazon, there is way to do it so as not to insult them and maybe gets us some good will for a short period of time.

Let me know what you are trying to do, and I will try to help you write a message.

 

[BLubmuz]

Let me know what you are trying to do, and I will try to help you write a message.

My priority is to send the message with the nuclear ban proposal to all the teams.

I thought we need a further message for Ama.
Basically i'd like to say to them that if they want techs from us they must offer something in exchange. Other techs, gold, units, anything.

I can't accept to give them techs only to keep the peace.

If you find a way to write this, i'll be grateful.

 

[Trystero]

Is the ETTT still in effect? If so, I think we should start by telling them we'd like to renegotiate a new technology trading deal with them. Let's start by finding out what they want, and then we can make a counter offer. It's not a good idea to start by making demands. If they think we are trying to reach a mutually beneficial agreement, they will be more likely to cooperate.

The alternative is to end the ETTT completely and seek a NAP with Amazon. This might be what we really want: to keep Amazon from attacking us for some length of time.

 

[BLubmuz]

Yes, the ETTT is still effective. In your post you said with different words what i said.

If you can draft something on that line, it's OK.

 

[Trystero]

BLubmuz: How about something like this?

Dear Amazonian Friends,

We apologize for declining your request for Physics in-game, but we wanted discuss with you the status of the ETTT. We fully intend to honor our treaty obligations to you, but feel recent developments in global politics make it impossible for us to allow the technology sharing as currently described in the ETTT to continue. Specifically, as you have noted, we do not want our research to benefit Quatronia. Again, we reiterate our position that it is impossible, and in fact counterproductive, for technology-sharing to occur between all the remaining teams.

We understand this position may cause you to break off all treaty agreements between our teams. We would like to maintain some mutually beneficial arrangement, if just for the short term. We are happy to renegotiate technology trading and NAP agreements between us outside of the ETTT. Again, we understand you might find such an arrangement impossible, but wanted to make the offer regardless.

 

[AlphaShard]

I think this draft is a good idea. Keeps us from looking too bad.

 

[BLubmuz]

BLubmuz: How about something like this?

On the 2nd paragraph

if just for the short term

my poor knowledge of English doesn't help me... would it be better

even if just for the short term

?

Then... even if less harsh in terms, this sounds to me even harder than mine. Can you find some way to tell them we'd like to keep good relations?

 

[Trystero]

Then... even if less harsh in terms, this sounds to me even harder than mine. Can you find some way to tell them we'd like to keep good relations?

Sure. How about this?

Dear Amazonian Friends,

We apologize for declining your request for Physics in-game, but we wanted discuss with you the status of the ETTT. We fully intend to honor our treaty obligations to you, but feel recent developments in global politics make it impossible for us to allow the technology sharing as currently described in the ETTT to continue. Specifically, as you have noted, we do not want our research to benefit Quatronia. Again, we reiterate our position that it is impossible, and in fact counterproductive, for technology-sharing to occur between all the remaining teams.

We understand this position may cause you to break off all treaty agreements between our teams, but we highly value our alliance with you and would very much like to maintain a mutually beneficial arrangement. We are happy to renegotiate technology trading and NAP agreements between us outside of the ETTT. Again, we understand you might find such an arrangement impossible, but wanted to make the offer regardless.

I would suggest sending them Physics as a demonstration of our desire to maintain good relations.

You can send this if it seems OK to you.

 

[BLubmuz]

Yes, i will send it together with the one for all the teams in few hours.