Octavian X
is not a pipe.
BTW, has anyone heard from Chieftess? She would've post a thread asking for nominations to the vacancy in the court, so she could appoint on for coucil approval.
Amending the Constitution
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Maybe she decided to take a vacation while she had the chance.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I'm trying to say that heavy moderator involvement will be bad for the game. That isn't the same as saying "lack of moderator involvement made the first game a success". If I said that earlier I hope this clarifies things.
I am sure Shaitan will clarify the constitution for us. It is one thing for the Chief Justice (one of three in that department) to issue an opinion, it is another for a mod to do so.
Do we really need three mods? I think if we restrict the stick/unsticky thread business we may not need three mods. It would really be much more fun if Shaitan turned down his mod powers and remained among us mortals. I was actually hoping that we'd all someday get around to discussing optional turn chats. if we could pass such a measure the Shaitan might then actually accept Bill_in_PDX's nomination. As a mod that seems out of the question.
Mods are supposed to step in to keep *fights* from getting to dirty and must enforce forum rules. A mod may have to actually ban (or recommend the banning) of someone from the forum. Someone with that power should not be an active part of the game. It's kinda like letting the referees play in football.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
Yes, this modship will prevent me from nominating him for the fifth time.
I have had my disagreements within the court with Shaitan, but I do think if he served time as our President, he would see the laws in action from the game level. Besides, I know from reading his early stories and tales that he is a great player.
disorganizer
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i totally second donsig here.
i would like to see shaitan as a mod preferred to anyone else though.
this is really a tough decission for me if it comes to poll...
i would like to see shaitan as a mod preferred to anyone else though.
this is really a tough decission for me if it comes to poll...
Donsig: We really only have two mods. Duke wants to be the mod for the CIV2 game only, I think, as that is what he really signed on for. The role of a moderator in a demo game is a bit different from that of one in most other forums. We are responsible for providing administrative support for the government, as well as making sure nothing gets out of hand.
Anyway, there does seem to be a good deal of opposition to allowing a mod to hold the position of Chief Justice. I will post an informational poll in a few hours, and then let Shaitan decide if he wants to try to make it official.
Anyway, there does seem to be a good deal of opposition to allowing a mod to hold the position of Chief Justice. I will post an informational poll in a few hours, and then let Shaitan decide if he wants to try to make it official.
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i would really second the poll proposed somewhere to determine mod level of participation. and i bet it comes out to max head of office or mayor.
donsig
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We should need very little in the way of administative support. If we can manage to keep our sticky threads to a minimum then elections would be the biggest job for the mods.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
I posted in the other thread located in the main forum. In this discussion about positions that Mods can take, I might add to what I previously posted.
I think the Judicial Dept. is well suited for a Mod. Especially Chief Justice for Shaitan. The JD has a supervisory roll in the game and Mods have a similiar function, so I don't see a big problem.
President, Cabinet Member, or Governor are not positions they should hold. These are for mere citizens to run for and obtain. I firmly believe this and will campaign strongly against any Mod trying to wrangle one of these away from from us. It would be totally unfair and stepping over boundries which were set in the original Constitution, I believe. I also have no problem with Mods being a Mayor.
So welcoming the Mods as citizens, Mayors, and members of the Judiciary is something I support. So is limiting the positions for which they can run.
I think the Judicial Dept. is well suited for a Mod. Especially Chief Justice for Shaitan. The JD has a supervisory roll in the game and Mods have a similiar function, so I don't see a big problem.
President, Cabinet Member, or Governor are not positions they should hold. These are for mere citizens to run for and obtain. I firmly believe this and will campaign strongly against any Mod trying to wrangle one of these away from from us. It would be totally unfair and stepping over boundries which were set in the original Constitution, I believe. I also have no problem with Mods being a Mayor.
So welcoming the Mods as citizens, Mayors, and members of the Judiciary is something I support. So is limiting the positions for which they can run.
Wow! My view exactly.
My view also. 
BTW, I do not want to only focus on the Civ 2 Demo game, but with the time restictions I cannot spend tons of time on this forum. This forum takes more time per day then all the other Mod duties I have added together.
This forum needs two Mods to run it. Shaitan and eyrei will be the people primarily doing that. I am, for the most part, in a support role for the game.
BTW, I do not want to only focus on the Civ 2 Demo game, but with the time restictions I cannot spend tons of time on this forum. This forum takes more time per day then all the other Mod duties I have added together.
This forum needs two Mods to run it. Shaitan and eyrei will be the people primarily doing that. I am, for the most part, in a support role for the game.
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The constitution was set up so that the judical members are also considered leaders. So those positions should like governors and all others not be held by them.
If they could run for judicacy, i would also second them running for any(!) position, as this makes no difference.
The judicacy has so high influence on the game, i believe this will hold too much power together with modism in one hand.
Why do we stick with shaitan as chief justice? I would for example nominate donsig there, as he will be the counterpart as non-constitutional-ammendist against other ammenders in this part of our government.
Shaitan could still be consulted on reviewing things as mod.
Another thing would be to change the constitution slightly:
I would second trimming down judicacy to 2 persons. An elected mod (so an election for that positions will be held between those 3) will then be the deciding voice if a tie happens between those two.
We all know shaitan and we know he would not misuse his power, but think how this look for "outsiders": one person is mod and decides all the rules? and he even puts up those rules?
this could draw a bad image of the independancy of our government.
If they could run for judicacy, i would also second them running for any(!) position, as this makes no difference.
The judicacy has so high influence on the game, i believe this will hold too much power together with modism in one hand.
Why do we stick with shaitan as chief justice? I would for example nominate donsig there, as he will be the counterpart as non-constitutional-ammendist against other ammenders in this part of our government.
Shaitan could still be consulted on reviewing things as mod.
Another thing would be to change the constitution slightly:
I would second trimming down judicacy to 2 persons. An elected mod (so an election for that positions will be held between those 3) will then be the deciding voice if a tie happens between those two.
We all know shaitan and we know he would not misuse his power, but think how this look for "outsiders": one person is mod and decides all the rules? and he even puts up those rules?
this could draw a bad image of the independancy of our government.
But he doesn't just decide the rules.
He has an idea, just as any citizen can, he presents his ideas, just as any citizen should, his idea is voted on, just as every idea is. If the other citizens like it, it gets approved, if not, it doesn't.
The citizens decide what they want, just as the poll that is currently running will be the deciding factor on the Mods level of involvement.
He has an idea, just as any citizen can, he presents his ideas, just as any citizen should, his idea is voted on, just as every idea is. If the other citizens like it, it gets approved, if not, it doesn't.
The citizens decide what they want, just as the poll that is currently running will be the deciding factor on the Mods level of involvement.
chiefpaco
Emperor
What happened here? Did we pass anything?
Shaitan
der Besucher
Nope. We got as far as finding out what positions are acceptable for mods (judicial offices are okay) but that's it. The restrictive law has not been modified.
The change needed would be in the Code of Laws, Section F (Moderators), item 4. It currently reads "May not hold Leader positions". This would need to be changed to "May not hold Executive or Senatorial Leader positions".
chiefpaco
Emperor
Ok, thanks. Who is good with the wording to make an official poll and who can propose a change?
I figured we should move on this if we want you guys to participate.
I figured we should move on this if we want you guys to participate.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
Actually I would say that you need to use wording that isolates their involvement to only the Judiciary.
The reason being that we are not sure now what possible other titles and positions may be created down the road, and the only confirmed support is for the Judiciary.
Minor wording approach, but potentially big down the road.
Bill
The reason being that we are not sure now what possible other titles and positions may be created down the road, and the only confirmed support is for the Judiciary.
Minor wording approach, but potentially big down the road.
Bill
chiefpaco
Emperor
Nice catch, Bill_in_PDX.
The Code of Laws section now:
How about this for a proposed amendment:
F. Forum Moderators
4. May hold positions within the Judicial Branch. May not hold positions in the Executive or Legislative Branch.
Can we assume that will cover the branches? If new positions come along that we want included, they can be added as special cases. If the branches change, I guess we can't prepare for that anyway...
Thoughts?
The Code of Laws section now:
What does 3 mean?
How about this for a proposed amendment:
F. Forum Moderators
4. May hold positions within the Judicial Branch. May not hold positions in the Executive or Legislative Branch.
Can we assume that will cover the branches? If new positions come along that we want included, they can be added as special cases. If the branches change, I guess we can't prepare for that anyway...
Thoughts?
chiefpaco
Emperor
Just testing through the forum troubles... excuse this post...
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