Amsterdam! Don't let in Polish/Czech prostitutes!

[Tekee]

Apparently the EU allows prostitutes to cross state borders and work in whichever country they want. Namely a group of Polish and Czech prostitutes have won a ruling in the European Court of Justice to work in Amsterdam.....
Why did the EU allow prostitutes to work in other countries? This is completely unfair! They promise to regulate this but I don't think they will be able to regulate prostitution, the criminals will always be one step ahead of the regulators...
So now we have east european pimps working in Amsterdam, this is more lucrative then working in east europe. Guess what? Pimping has now gotten better in Czech republic and Poland, since it is now legal to sell in Amsterdam. Very very bad.
How are foreign prostitutes even able to speak with the Dutch "regulators" that promise to protect them?! They will be completely dependent on their east european pimps!

Spoiler :

A group of Polish and Czech women have won a ruling in the European Court of Justice, granting them the right to work as prostitutes in the Netherlands.

The four women took their case to court when they rented "window rooms" in Amsterdam's red-light district but were refused work permits on the grounds that prostitution was not a regular job.


The activity of prostitution pursued in a self-employed capacity can be regarded as a service provided for remuneration

The court found in their favour, saying that that, under treaties between the European Union and its applicant countries, they had the right to work.

The judges said prostitutes could work in any European Union country where selling sex was tolerated - as long as they were genuinely self-employed, had the means to set up their business and had a reasonable chance of success.

"The activity of prostitution pursued in a self-employed capacity can be regarded as a service provided for remuneration," the judgment said.

In the Netherlands, only EU nationals are allowed to earn a living as self-employed sex workers.

The Dutch Government had argued that prostitution could be considered as labour within the terms of these agreements.

Despite the ruling, the Netherlands is expected to be reluctant to open its doors to sex workers from outside the EU.

Since brothels were legalised last year, the authorities have stepped up their fight against the illegal trafficking of women.

They claim that strict controls on the sex industry are the best way to protect the victims of the modern slave trade.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1665695.stm

 

[Godwynn]

Slavs should always be used as sex slaves for the Germanic people.

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[Cutlass]

Why do you hate freedom?

 

[Tekee]

Heh, you know Albania (Non-Eu) is a major crossing point for prostitutes into the EU.
Since the EU court of Justice made this ruling, entire EU is forced to accept the crossing of prostitutes.
So from any country a prostitute may enter the EU. Even from Asia or Africa.
This is just bad, EU will become a major destination for prostitution.
And it is only the Dutch who promise to regulate it.
No promises to protect foerign prostitues in germany, where remeber, foreign prostitues can't speak German, so they can't fillout form 103 for the regulation of their prostituion "occupation"

 

[Cutlass]

Heh, you know Albania (Non-Eu) is a major crossing point for prostitutes into the EU.
Since the EU court of Justice made this ruling, entire EU is forced to accept the crossing of prostitutes.
So from any country a prostitute may enter the EU. Even from Asia or Africa.
This is just bad, EU will become a major destination for prostitution.
And it is only the Dutch who promise to regulate it.

And this is bad why?

 

[Tekee]

And this is bad why?

Prostitution is a criminal occupation, it is not because the prostitutes are criminals, but rather they are forced into it because of poverty, drugs, or human traffickers.
Allowing east europeans to work for germans is unfair, because it is too attractive prospects.
And when prostitutes are taken across state borders they are even more vulnerable, because they can't speak the local language

 

[TheLastOne36]

Apparently the EU allows prostitutes to cross state borders and work in whichever country they want. Namely a group of Polish and Czech prostitutes have won a ruling in the European Court of Justice to work in Amsterdam.....
Why did the EU allow prostitutes to work in other countries? This is completely unfair! They promise to regulate this but I don't think they will be able to regulate prostitution, the criminals will always be one step ahead of the regulators...
So now we have east european pimps working in Amsterdam, this is more lucrative then working in east europe. Guess what? Pimping has now gotten better in Czech republic and Poland, since it is now legal to sell in Amsterdam. Very very bad.
How are foreign prostitutes even able to speak with the Dutch "regulators" that promise to protect them?! They will be completely dependent on their east european pimps!

Taxonomy fail.

 

[Cutlass]

Prostitution is a criminal occupation, it is not because the prostitutes are criminals, but rather they are forced into it because of poverty, drugs, or human traffickers.

Prostitution is only criminal in places that choose to make it criminal. And in those cases, the government is more in the wrong than the prostitute is. As for the rest, why would you deny a woman who chose to make their living that way the opportunity to do so? The women would absolutely be better off if they can do it legally.

 

[Tekee]

Taxonomy fail.

no not fail, it is simply unfair competition for Dutch prostitutes if they allow Polish/Czech prostitutes....

Prostitution is only criminal in places that choose to make it criminal. And in those cases, the government is more in the wrong than the prostitute is. As for the rest, why would you deny a woman who chose to make their living that way the opportunity to do so? The women would absolutely be better off if they can do it legally.

Dutch women could benefit from it, but not Polish women, who can not speak Dutch, whether or not they have a "reasonable chance of success" is unclear because their originas themselves are unclear and who they are working for is unclear.
I don't have any opinion on the legalization of prostitutes but just on the use of Polish prostitutes in foreign countries.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

no not fail, it is simply unfair competition for Dutch prostitutes if they allow Polish/Czech prostitutes....

Are you suggesting Dutch prostitutes are too ugly to compete with Polish and Czech prostitutes?

Dutch women could benefit from it, but not Polish women, who can not speak Dutch, whether or not they have a "reasonable chance of success" is unclear because their originas themselves are unclear and who they are working for is unclear.
I don't have any opinion on the legalization of prostitutes but just on the use of Polish prostitutes in foreign countries.

So it's an ethnic problem you have, not a legal or economic one. You just don't want Polish women to be prostitutes, or be encouraged to do so in any way. Obviously, some Polish and Czech prostitutes spoke enough Dutch to be able to challenge their circumstances all the way to the EU court of justice. So it's not like it's so hard to learn Dutch. And it's prostitution we're talking about here. They don't exactly have to learn complex poetic verses or philosophical discussion.

 

[Tekee]

Are you suggesting Dutch prostitutes are too ugly to compete with Polish and Czech prostitutes?

No no just that it is unfair double standards, in Poland all the prostitutes are Russian, this is illegal. In Amsterdam all the prostitutes are Polish, this is LEGAL?! this is very unfair and gives Polish prostitutes too many rights over others.

 

[WickedSmurf]

"Don't let in Polish/Czech prostitutes!"

Duh.

 

[Cutlass]

No no just that it is unfair double standards, in Poland all the prostitutes are Russian, this is illegal. In Amsterdam all the prostitutes are Polish, this is LEGAL?! this is very unfair and gives Polish prostitutes too many rights over others.

So why not let prostitutes just go where they want to go?

 

[really]

I don't know why non-Dutch living or working legally in the Netherlands should be denied rights under Dutch law.

 

[GinandTonic]

I don't know why non-Dutch living or working legally in the Netherlands should be denied rights under Dutch law.

I guess this is the bottom line. But I have to say I feel a little uncomfortable with the whole deal. It leaves, as the actress said to the bishop, a bad taste in the mouth.

 

[really]

Who knows - if legal immigrants move in it could choke off the demand for illegal girls who are open to exploitation.

 

[civ_king]

Prostitution is a criminal occupation, it is not because the prostitutes are criminals, but rather they are forced into it because of poverty, drugs, or human traffickers.
Allowing east europeans to work for germans is unfair, because it is too attractive prospects.
And when prostitutes are taken across state borders they are even more vulnerable, because they can't speak the local language

1) POLAND AND THE CZECH REPUBLIC ARE CENTRAL EUROPEAN
2) The Dutch aren't Germans

 

[kosiosko 1]

I'm sure the dutch have a union for working girls, we do in Australia,(prostitutes collective) they are very active in improving working conditions , regulations , and take a strong stance against illegal brothels , they have an active outreach program . So its just the changed conditions that have caught the dutch out, they will, no doubt, soon catch up with protecting the working girls rights

 

[Bad Player]

I agree with Teekee that it is very concerning that the foreign prostitutes in e.g. Holland are at the mercy of their pimps without the protection of law due for a number of reasons. Hardly an unreasonable point of view I would have thought. Whether people have ethical/moral issues with prostitution is, I think, anothe matter.

 

[Formaldehyde]

When I was there most of the prostitutes seemed to be from other countries.