anarchy

[Beard Rinker]

Originally posted by ivory


I have only a few questions to contribute:

• If they will not talk, is there any way to get peace?
• How and when do you get back to government when your democracy has fallen into anarchy? (My democracies have never collapsed, but I 'd like to be prepared.)

Thanks,
ivo

The AI will eventually talk. The number of turns they wait increases with each war you have with them.

You only stay in anarchy for the normal period of time. With a religous civ it is one turn, all others about 5 - 10 turns. You are then allowed to choose a form of government.

 

[Moulton]

If they wont talk, they wont talk. YOu stay at war. However, there are a couple of things to do. If you can make a quick strike and take a couple of cities, they suddenly become interested in peace. Or, you can just retreat into your own territory, put garrisons at te borders, and kill any invaders. That holds danger: they may taka a long time to build up an invasion force, and then try to overwhelm your border. I have been at war now with America for about 350 years. Republic. just gone to democracy. She will talk, but wants tribute, and I am not willing to pay. Dont need to. She sends a boatload over every turn or so, and then attacks a nearby ship, if there is one, The troops die on the beach, and the attacking caravel is usually the one that sinks..... Now, if there were a land connection...

 

[Reichsmarshal]

Cool fact: If they are getting trumped, pummeled, need to ditch democracy to fight, they will switch to the government with the highest draft rate. I have seen this after adding a government with 3 draft (Militarism, it has 3 drafts per turn communism has 2). They will even overthrow communism to use this. Next experiment: The most favored peace governemnt.

So it seems when they are at war they always go exclusively for draft rate.

Does the computer have a cheat where their democracies never collapse? The reason it seems like they don't is that some of the computer enemies never switch until like 35 turns into the war and others switch almost instantly. Maximizing combat or collapse? What do you think?

 

[Switch625]

In the last game I played (Egyptians), I played a sort of modified "Switzerland" strategy. The only war I ever declared was early on when I smashed the Romans to claim the island we were both on for myself.

Anyway, I avoided MPPs like the plague, and was very careful with RoPs. Only two times in the entire game did anyone ever declare war on me. Both times were because of tribute demands that I refused. The first time was England demanding Industrialization, and I refused. My response was to trade Industrialization with every other nation to get them to declare war on England. I then sat back and let everyone else do the fighting. About 20 turns later, there was no more England (revenge is sweet). I had already changed over to Democracy when this war started, and never had any war weariness.

The second time was Germany doing the demanding. I refused their demand and they declared war. This time, I didn't expect a declaration of war. My military was equal to theirs, and we'd had nothing but good relations in the past. Anyway, I used a similar strategy, though the proliferation of MPPs made sparking a world-wide war much easier. It became Germany and France against the rest of the world. Once again, I just sat back and watched the fun.

Interesting note: France had an MPP with Germany, but because I didn't actually do any fighting with Germany, the MPP didn't trigger against me. I kept polite relations with France throughout the conflict.

After 20 turns, the war was still raging (neither coalition making much headway vs the other). So, I cancelled the military alliances I had forged to spark the war, and then asked Germany for a peace treaty. They agreed, and relations between us instantly went back to polite. I didn't expect that. What was even better, because I properly ended the alliance pacts before making peace, I didn't take a reputation hit. Again, I was a Democracy during the war, and, again, I suffered no war weariness.

The game ended when I built the UN and called for a vote. 9 of the original 12 civs were left, and I won the vote 7-2. Interestingly, Germany was one of the 7 who voted for me.

 

[Moulton]

I have been at war now for about 500 years. America declared because I refuese tribute. They have only recently been sending ships over to die, last 70 years or so. I have not sent a troop over there, and have suffered no war weariness. Just changed to democracy. I am going to try to take one city, and then sue for peace. I really dont want anything they have.....