This discussion must look like the diplomacy between the Great Powers before WW1
anarres zegt:
****!!!!
anarres zegt:
you have ToE!!!!!!
ERIKK zegt:
yeah
anarres zegt:
f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck
ERIKK zegt:
thats 4 times!
anarres zegt:
yeah....
ERIKK zegt:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=787204#post787204
anarres zegt:
did you see the celts?
ERIKK zegt:
yeah
ERIKK zegt:
you are a tiran
ERIKK zegt:
leaves three parties
ERIKK zegt:
what will happen then?
ERIKK zegt:
I can set them uo to you
ERIKK zegt:
with some techs
ERIKK zegt:
2 against 1
ERIKK zegt:
no fun IMO
anarres zegt:
we should expend our treaty
ERIKK zegt:
yup
ERIKK zegt:
a non agression pact amoung all three
ERIKK zegt:
Hello?
anarres zegt:
all 3?
ERIKK zegt:
I wont let you take over Otto's too...
ERIKK zegt:
yoiu will to BIG
ERIKK zegt:
do you understand
ERIKK zegt:
?
anarres zegt:
the Ottomans want it
ERIKK zegt:
want what?
anarres zegt:
me to kill them
ERIKK zegt:
sure
ERIKK zegt:
they are my BIGGEST friends, The entire game the are polite and gracious towards me!
ERIKK zegt:
and I have a MPP with them
anarres zegt:
how about we exend our treaty until 250, and I will promise not to fight the Ottomans after 220?
anarres zegt:
i have MPP too
anarres zegt:
yours runs out in a turn or 2
ERIKK zegt:
what then (after 220)?
anarres zegt:
and you only got it because i got one
anarres zegt:
after that I will make peace with the Ottomans
anarres zegt:
say no or suggest something else if you want
ERIKK zegt:
you might finish them off in 20 turns
ERIKK zegt:
make peace asap
ERIKK zegt:
are we at war now?
ERIKK zegt:
???????????????
anarres zegt:
i am not at war with them, but I have some units built just for the purpose...
ERIKK zegt:
hmm
ERIKK zegt:
difficult
ERIKK zegt:
what are your plans then?
anarres zegt:
you're basically asking me to trash a load of cav that will soon be useless
ERIKK zegt:
yeah yeah
anarres zegt:
when they get infantry
ERIKK zegt:
attack them and sign peace asap then
ERIKK zegt:
dont take them over entirely
anarres zegt:
we should decide a turn limit
ERIKK zegt:
210
anarres zegt:
or an amount of cities, etc
ERIKK zegt:
where will you attack?
ERIKK zegt:
nw or ne?
anarres zegt:
all the nearby NE cities I want, and I'd like to damage him a bit elsewhere
ERIKK zegt:
then we will have a common border
anarres zegt:
the cities in the landbridge i am happy to leave or raise
anarres zegt:
raise i think, no cities at all
anarres zegt:
or just leave them
ERIKK zegt:
It feels stupid for me to do this but ok
anarres zegt:
don't do it then
ERIKK zegt:
a mpp is much more to an advantage to me of course
anarres zegt:
no it isn't
ERIKK zegt:
i can go to war with you
anarres zegt:
if I will fight the ottomans anyway, what difference is it?
ERIKK zegt:
i have rep parts pretty fast
ERIKK zegt:
while you have to research medicine
anarres zegt:
you can do that anyway, you don't need an mpp to declare war. also, replacable parts gives you defensive units, not offensive ones
anarres zegt:
lets not extend the peace treaty then
ERIKK zegt:
ok, lets keep it on turn 210
anarres zegt:
don't do me favours
ERIKK zegt:
do what you want
ERIKK zegt:
on 210 we have a new discussion
anarres zegt:
about what?
ERIKK zegt:
on 210 all bets are off
ERIKK zegt:
but i will not sign a non aggression till 250 while you take over the Otto's
anarres zegt:
well you could suggest what you would be happy for me to take. asking me not to attack at all is a waste of lots of my production
ERIKK zegt:
that is absoluty not a good geoploitical act for me
ERIKK zegt:
hmmm
ERIKK zegt:
It IS getting veryy interesting now
anarres zegt:
you should make a suggestion. if me not attacking the otomans at all is what you demand for peac it may be too much for me, but if you can suggest a solution where i get some ottomans territory i may just agree
ERIKK zegt:
OK:
take the NE cities from the Otto's and leave the NW alone
ERIKK zegt:
I will not help the Otto's
anarres zegt:
ok, i will also leave the 2 ottoman cities next to your border
ERIKK zegt:
and a non-aggression pact till 210?
ERIKK zegt:
between us
anarres zegt:
till 250
ERIKK zegt:
that is very long IMO
anarres zegt:
sure, neither of us can get all the way to tans in 50 turns, but we can get close. this makes it interesting because the treaty will end before either of us have tanks, and after we both get infantry.
ERIKK zegt:
turn 210 seems right
anarres zegt:
i can get infantry by 210, but what offensive force could you get by then? a few cav?
ERIKK zegt:
I am not gonna tell you what I have build
anarres zegt:
but you can only have cv
anarres zegt:
cav
ERIKK zegt:
yeah
ERIKK zegt:
cav, inf and att
ERIKK zegt:
well, what will you do?
ERIKK zegt:
i offer a non agression till 250 if you let the Otto's alone
anarres zegt:
i have to wait a turn or two for your mpp to run out with the ottos anyway
anarres zegt:
i want those NE cities, otherwise i have to find another use for ny units
ERIKK zegt:
yeah, you can disband them for peacefull buildings
ERIKK zegt:
hehe
anarres zegt:
if i attack the otts and don't kill them it will take me ages to starve the cities. if i do that and have our peace end in 210 i am fuked. So the 210 deal would be crazy for me
ERIKK zegt:
I cant let you take over 75% of the territory
ERIKK zegt:
world
anarres zegt:
sure, but all i want is the small amount of land to the east
ERIKK zegt:
why?
anarres zegt:
a few cities, and you say we can't have peace if i take them....
ERIKK zegt:
you are already bigger then me
anarres zegt:
but my land is new, my cities are new, yours all all old
anarres zegt:
developed
ERIKK zegt:
will a few more cities help?
anarres zegt:
they are in the way
anarres zegt:
my cities surround them
anarres zegt:
they are far from the ottoman's heatland and useless to them
ERIKK zegt:
Take over those ne cities and leave the north alone, I will take over the 4 cities near my sw border later in the game. We have peace till 240
deal?
anarres zegt:
let me check the landbridge
anarres zegt:
load your last turn and look at the land bridge
anarres zegt:
4 cities would put you within 3 squares of me
anarres zegt:
i now have the celt city richborough btw
anarres zegt:
all the celt cities
ERIKK zegt:
hmm
ERIKK zegt:
5 cities then
ERIKK zegt:
is austro... to close to you?
ERIKK zegt:
hey
anarres zegt:
austro?
ERIKK zegt:
augustoblabla
anarres zegt:
4 tiles, and over water too. it is 5 tiles by land
ERIKK zegt:
I will take Larsa, 2 japs and augusto
ERIKK zegt:
you the rest
anarres zegt:
i want augusto plz
ERIKK zegt:
why???????
anarres zegt:
it is nearer ,e
anarres zegt:
or i could detroy it
anarres zegt:
you would be too close there
ERIKK zegt:
raze it then and minrud too
anarres zegt:
!!!!!
ERIKK zegt:
thats where the border will be
ERIKK zegt:
a dmz
ERIKK zegt:
DMZ
anarres zegt:
why not raze larsa too then?
anarres zegt:
you are getting more land then me on the landbridge like this
ERIKK zegt:
the site between the mountains
ERIKK zegt:
Hello!!!!!!!!!!
count the amounts of cities you will gain
anarres zegt:
bah
ERIKK zegt:
like 6 or 7 against 3
anarres zegt:
6, but 1 is far too cramped and haas to go
anarres zegt:
and why not? i though we were dividing the land bridge....
ERIKK zegt:
well nimrid and Larsa are close too
anarres zegt:
so destroy them both
ERIKK zegt:
lets make a deal
ERIKK zegt:
you keep augusta... and destroy nimrud instead
anarres zegt:
you can have the 2 old jap cities, i will have just the 1 city at my end of the landbridge, and we have a DMZ
ERIKK zegt:
that makes more sense to me
ERIKK zegt:
lets stick to the above
ERIKK zegt:
a take 3, you 7
ERIKK zegt:
me the japs + Larsa
ERIKK zegt:
you augusta and the rest and destroy nimrud
anarres zegt:
so i keep augusta and destroy nimrud?
ERIKK zegt:
yeah
ERIKK zegt:
the mountains will be the border
anarres zegt:
what about when the ottomans get angry and attack me back? can i rase cities to the north as long as i don't keep them?
ERIKK zegt:
I thought this war was for conquering the NE?
anarres zegt:
so i get no more land, jsut pacify the ottomans a bit
ERIKK zegt:
so "no"I guess
anarres zegt:
sure, but the opttomans will hate me
ERIKK zegt:
me too
ERIKK zegt:
when i attack the,
ERIKK zegt:
them
anarres zegt:
no, why?
ERIKK zegt:
I want the Otto's to stay a party in the game
ERIKK zegt:
a third party
anarres zegt:
if i can't take any ottoman cities to the north i will not dent his army in any way, attacking the NE woud be pointless
anarres zegt:
but they are _yours_ to command, not mine
anarres zegt:
tey have been furious with me forever
ERIKK zegt:
hmm
anarres zegt:
the NE cities are not helping the ottomans at all
ERIKK zegt:
when they attack you later in the game it is different
ERIKK zegt:
this war will be about the ne
ERIKK zegt:
other wars will be discussed later, ok?
anarres zegt:
lol
anarres zegt:
when you pay them to attack me?
ERIKK zegt:
never
ERIKK zegt:
It is between you and me
ERIKK zegt:
but I canbt let you grow THAT big now
anarres zegt:
so let me raze the cities, i won't build there at all
anarres zegt:
i will not expand to the north
ERIKK zegt:
Ok
ERIKK zegt:
Give me a sum up now plz
ERIKK zegt:
anarres?
anarres zegt:
You have the 2 old jap cities when you want. I take up to Augusto and raze Larsa.
I can raze otto cities to the north, but I can not settle any new cities above my current northern border, which now include the old celt cities.
we have a peace until turn ???
ERIKK zegt:
raze nimrud
ERIKK zegt:
you raze numrud, I take larza
ERIKK zegt:
peace till 235?
ERIKK zegt:
is that ok?
anarres zegt:
1 sec
ERIKK zegt:
the border will be a vertical line near augusta and larsa
ERIKK zegt:
the 4 mountains and coal
anarres zegt:
i say raze both larsa and augusto too
ERIKK zegt:
no
ERIKK zegt:
in that case; lets keep it simple
ERIKK zegt:
i take larsa and you nimrud
anarres zegt:
let me keep nimrud then
anarres zegt:
hehe
ERIKK zegt:
and that will be the border
anarres zegt:
ok
ERIKK zegt:
yuou have it YOUR way again
anarres zegt:
hang on
anarres zegt:
what is your way?
ERIKK zegt:
you have all the cities and me 3
ERIKK zegt:
instead of 4
anarres zegt:
!!!!!!!
anarres zegt:
the landbridge is between both our territories, you are counting the circled ottoma cities as part of the gp between us, but the gap is really just the landbridge...
anarres zegt:
we have 3 cities each on the landbridge
ERIKK zegt:
Great!
ERIKK zegt:
Lets keep it that way then
anarres zegt:
you shouldn't fele like a victim. you should just say no if you think i am taking the piss
anarres zegt:
i expect you to get the best deal you can, i do the same.
ERIKK zegt:
I agreed, didn't I?
ERIKK zegt:
now: peace till 235?
anarres zegt:
sure, maybe i just misunderstand your meaning sometimes
ERIKK zegt:
Well agreed, I post the diplo, you should read it back later, it is real funny!
ERIKK zegt:
i read it
I was wrong, it was turn 191 
I was talking about. Here is a pic:
