Any Reason to Eliminate instead of Vassalize?

[onedreamer]

cant they rebuild the palace in some other city?

Not if you eliminate the civ
If you vassalize them, you can ask them all the 3 mana resources from the their palace.

 

[frenzyslave]

I only vassalize if I'm going for tower victory - then I can get all the mana necessary.

As do I. Also when the AC starts getting a little high. But, mostly for the mana for synergies and ToM.

Also, your civ gets happier because "we are influencing nations". Happy happy, joy joy.

Remember that you can demand ANYTHING from vassals if they are friendly (and dont suffer a diplomatic penalty). You can get all their mana and resources if you wanted to. I prefer giving them something back (giving them resources i have in excess) as a rp kinda reward. I also like gifting cities to friendly vassals, especially to cut down maintenance costs.

 

[Demus]

just remember the main difference between a capitulated vassal and a vassal who threw him/herself into your hands: the latter can break free whenever he/she wishes, while the first one is pretty much stuck with you for the rest of the game. The capitulated one i usually bring up to my own level of techs (since my size is almost always 3-4x as large as the vassal), and take only the res. i haven't got myself (and all the mana of course). The 2nd one i completely strip of any resources, while don't giving any techs in return, thus forcing them to stay committed to my cause

 

[Bitwise]

It would be nice to be able to turn off diplomatic vassalage while leaving in capitulation. In my games, all the AIs tend to ask their biggest neighbor for protection and then immediately adopt their religion. I dislike this because it tends to homogenize the game with large factions of the AI being the same religion and alignment.

 

[Ksi]

Yes Bitwise it is very dangerous for dog-piling. I always play on immortal and with vassals on everyone vassalizes to the top scoring person and they dog pile the remaining civs one by one. I also do not like how it can turn my friendly neighbors against me because their protector declares on me.

And always forgetting to check if people are in war before they ask to be my vassal sucks.

 

[Mylon]

It would be nice if there was some "evil empire" code that kicked in when one player gets to be too big. Players ought to recognize the threat and ally up to fight it rather than join one by one.

 

[Breunor]

I think for the reasons people have said, that it is really quite complex and so there isn't always an easy answer.

For me, there are a lot of plusses for vassalizing. The three palace resources are very nice. If you play on a high level, your vassal can effectively build troops faster than you can. If you take the cities, your maintenance can go way up, especially if you don't run city states.

It really pays to be good to your vassals. If you can, trade for their resources, give them techs, etc. Since they are your allies, help them be strong.

Vassals that don't like you can be a pain. Expect them to build privateers to attack you and other nasty things!

For me, the best reason to take out the civ is that the city can itself be good and integrated into the economy. It may, for instance, have wonders that would really help.

Another key reason is the unhappiness of the captured cities while the other Civ is alive. This can be a major pain the neck, and if I fear it, I usually try to eliminate the Civ.

No question, diplomacy issues are complex.

Best wishes,

Breunor