Any way to stop AI flip-flopping from enemies to friends to enemies like idiots?

[GiantLittleDog]

It's very annoying and possibly the worst part of this game.

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[timerover51]

It's very annoying and possibly the worst part of this game.

You can always change the AI aggression setting in the Player Set Up screen menu to Least Aggressive. Otherwise, you would need to play with the Aggression settings in the Editor for each civilizations. Aside from that, the AI switching sides on a moment's notice is part of the game. If you play the game, you have to deal with it.

 

[GiantLittleDog]

the AI switching sides on a moment's notice is part of the game. If you play the game, you have to deal with it.

Yeah, I've noticed that.

 

[Aabraxan]

You could play All-War. That stops the flip-flopping.

 

[Kirejara]

Or you could create locked alliances with the editor as new szenario.

I have got a szenario with culture group doubling as alliance group.

The big backdraw is, that it often ends into a all out war between the four alliances.

 

[GiantLittleDog]

What is All-War? I don't mind AI switching sides, but it does it all the time and way too often. Things like that make the game totally unrealistic and unplayable, unless the player is a robot.

 

[GiantLittleDog]

Also, the 20-turn limits on agreements don't work. AI will cancel them whenever it wants to.

 

[Aabraxan]

All-War (often abbreviated AW) is just what it sounds like. Declare War on each AI civ when you meet them, and never make peace. All War, All the Time.

 

[T-mun]

What is All-War? I don't mind AI switching sides, but it does it all the time and way too often. Things like that make the game totally unrealistic and unplayable, unless the player is a robot.

You are irritating the AI, then. Be nice with AI Civs, trade with them, don't be the first to attack, and they should like you better. Also, having a strong military helps too, for the AI usually likes to attack weak players.

Also, the 20-turn limits on agreements don't work. AI will cancel them whenever it wants to.

I believe they have a penalty for that, like being hated by other Civs for doing that. Same for attacking without declaring war or attacking while they have RoP. The good part is that it's easier to find allies when your ennemy is unpopular.

 

[Etain]

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[Theov]

Am I the only one that finds the epithet in the thread title a bit offensive?

At least you're the first after 293 page views.

 

[timerover51]

I was ignoring it, figuring that the moderators would do something about it. I guess that they did not deem it a problem.

 

[Moosezilla]

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[timerover51]

It would appear that the moderators finally took notice.

 

[Theov]

As someone whose best friend is an idiot, I'm highly offended now.

 

[timerover51]

Hmm, as that would rule "idiots" out, we need to come up with another ephithet to use. As my son and daughter assure me that I am not the normal father, probably anything using "abnormal" is out. We could try "backstabbing fiends".

 

[MrRandomGuy]

I use the AI flip flopping to my advantage.

Carthage and Persia exist for years with no war between them. Carthage and Persia both help me (Hiawatha) rid the world of the Celts and Dutch. Carthage and Persia sign a MPP. Persia declares war on me when I fail to plant a spy.

So what will Carthage do? Will they break their MPP with Persia? Yes they will help me rid the world of the Persians for combustion since I'm the most powerful nation in the world and have the lead in science.

Another example:

I have just met the civilizations on the continent on the other side of the world. I have a minor skirmish with the Egyptians on my continent (I of course declared war first before attacking) to ensure I am the only civilization with cities on my continent. Upon ending the war and meeting all the other civilizations, I sign right of passage agreements to them so that they will be more friendly and so I can make better deals. Then I place a few cities on the edge of the New World with the intent to rush build airports in them and launch a full scale invasion from there.

Suddenly a few turns after the Russians approach my cities in the New World. What are they doing? I check our trade deals and see that ROP still has 7 turns left. I begin to get suspicious of their behavior. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to violate the ROP...NOPE! They were stupid enough! They take my cities in the New World and I enlist everyone, including Egypt, to attack them and destroy them.

As long as you declare war before entering a civilization territory and after cancelling any turn based deals, and as long as you keep every agreement you make you can get anything you want out of any civilization. Sometimes it can be for a price, especially if they are larger than you. If they are smaller than you the price will be much lower. There have been times where I've made peace with an AI civ after taking all but 2 or 3 of their cities because they were too far away to capture at the time. The AI civ that has 2 or 3 cities left will ask you for a MPP and ROP as long as your reputation is solid EVEN if they are furious with you.

So in summary, it's all about rep. Get the AI's to dogpile the traitors and those who "sneak attack" while being careful to preserve your reputation until it is no longer relevant (like when there are only 2 or 3 civs left in the game and you can conquer them in just a few more turns.)

 

[templar_x]

i do believe the mod meant to say that you should NOT use the word. the actual moderator action post seems to suggest just the opposite
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