Discussion in 'Civ3 - Multi-site Demo Game: High Council' started by GenMarshall, Dec 23, 2003.
It doesn't look too bad, except that I didn't see anything about BoP...
BTW, they should try and learn to write our nations name correctly: It's Fanatikou not Fanatiku!
I didn't expect them to include anything about BoP, and I think we're going to have to compromise and take Equilibrium, letting them have BoP. However, it looks like a good proposal. Perhaps we could change it a bit to forbid one party from declaring war without the consent of the other. Also, we may want to consider a clause that would require each nation to gift the other technologies that it researched.
Yea, it looks good.
And forget about PoV, they're never going to give it to us. After all, we wouldn't give it to them either. So, get a few cities close to it and forget it.
Yes, well, I would be happy if we did gt Equilibrium and then got our side of the island settled, then we could think of hat to do next.
We should both get one choke point, if they want PoV, we get the one up north
Yes, I suggest we append a clause determining the borders of our country so that we won't have any land disputes in the future. Or do we have a land agreement already?
Other than that, it looks good.
Apolyton suggested that we keep border agreements and alliances seperate.
I'm not a fan of the tech-sharing clause, either. It should be more open, a full tech parity agreement without restrictions.
Yes, I think so too. ..
Nitpicking: Under Tech Cooperation it states that "Neither nation will resell technology aquired from the other without express
permission from the nation who first aquired the technology." Later, however, in Separation of Agreement it states that "This alliance agreement does not preclude both nations from making additional deals, agreements, or pledges outside this agreement."
Is it just me, or is that a contradiction?
They mean that other deals are not subject to it.
Um... shouldn't we give money to Apolyton to boost their research? If they will have "copyright" on the techs, it will be unfair.
OK, a couple observations I've made upon reading this...
III ROP: For naval units traveling in packs of more than 1, it says that permission must be asked of the nation whose border is being entered. It would be better for permission to be granted as well.
V NAP: It says neither nation may enter the borders of the other. This should be clarified to neither nation may enter any land within the other's borders. Otherwise #III is redundant.
V NAP: I don't like the clause about not attacking the other's units. Ever hear of cheap leaders?
VI Shared Intel: If one of the nations has agreed not to reveal info it knows about another nation to anyone, than it shouldn't have to reveal it to its ally. Being forced to break an agreement isn't a good idea.
VII Military Denfense Pact: "Once at war, each nation pledges to fully commit itself to the cause of war and to use all means at their disposal to promptly prosecute the war." I don't like the 'all means at their disposal' part. That could imply that every military unit we own must be sent towards the fight, and that all production be switched to military. Should be changed to: "Once at war, each nation pledges to fully commit itself to the cause of war in order to promptly prosecute the war."
VIII Separation of Agreements: A sentense should be added to this saying that any deals signed before the start of the alliance are still viable over the alliance, so long as they are disclosed to the other nation before the signing of the alliance.
IX Termination of the Agreement: This is worded so that it is very easy to terminate the agreement, as only one of the nations needs to pass the vote of "No Confidence". At the very least, a clause should be added stating that following the termination of the agreement, aggressive action may not be taken be either nation against the other for a minimum of 20 turns. This way we won't have any "Shock and Awe" scenarios.
OK, thats all. Hope it helped.
As a note, the final vote on the alliance is already up.
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