Apolyton's Proposal

[GenMarshall]

The following is our most recent draft of the CFC - Apolyton Alliance.

This is not official YET, but it includes a number of changes the team have
suggested and seems to have a lot of support with the team right now.

APOLYTON - FANATIKU ALLIANCE

Preamble:

Apolyton and Fanatiku hereby fully agree to this historic treaty in spirit and in
deed, we fully agree to the following terms of this alliance.

I Full Diplomatic Cooperation (United Front)

Before starting a conflict, both nations shall consult the other in an attempt to
form a diplomatic or military agreement about the issue involved. Both shall
faithfully try to aid the other in settling disputes with foreign powers where
possible.

Neither nation shall plot against the other with any foreign nation.

Both nations shall respect the laws and customs of the other, and shall treat
each other will respect and courtesey.

Any grievances between players or representatives involving both teams shall be
diplomaticly handled by the leadership of both teams, and if the matter cannot be
solved internally, both teams pledge to keep the individuals in conflict apart in
order to further the greater good, which is the continued well-being of this
alliance.

II Tech Cooperation

Both nations pledge to share with the other what tech is being researched and
what tech is planned to be researched.

Both nations will faithfully attempt to never cross-research or compete by
researching the same tech.

Both nations prioritize trades with each other, prefering trades with an ally
than with another party.

Both nations will accept a Trade Rate of 125 regarding technologies. This implies
any techs whose value is 25% greater or lesser than the other may be traded
without compensation. If the cost difference of these techs is greater than 25%,
the nation with the less valuable tech must compensate by including gold in the
deal.

The amount of gold shall be determined as follows: 10g for every research point
(as defined in the editor) needed to bring the lesser tech to 75% of the value of
the greater tech.

Neither nation will resell technology aquired from the other without express
permission from the nation who first aquired the technology.

III Right of Passage

Both nations agree to allow the naval units of either nation to travel in the
cultural borders of the other nation.

However, before sending in any group of ships larger than two, either nation must
inform the other of the size and nature of the naval group, and ask permission
before entering the coastal waters of the other.

IV Homeland Protection Doctrine

Both nations agree that no other nation shall have cities or units on our
continent.

Should another nation land units on our continent, build cities, or aquire
cities, both nations pledge to use whatever means necessary (including diplomacy
and force) to remove them.

Any exceptions to this rule must be explicitly agreed upon by both nations.

V Non-Aggression Pact

Neither nation shall enter the land inside the cultural borders, or any mutually
agreed on borders, of the other without prior approval.

Neither nation shall attack any unit of the other nation.

Neither nation shall pillage the improvements of the other without prior
approval.

Neither nation shall intentionally block the movement of the other.

VI Shared Intelligence

In times of war, when both nations have a common enemy, all military intelligence
about the enemy shall be freely shared.

Should only one of the nations be at war, the other nation may perform
intelligence gathering and espionage for the other, which shall be fully
compensated by the nation at war.

VII Military Defense Pact

Should either nation be invaded by an outside party, the other nation is bound by
this treaty to declare war on the attacker and remain at war until the alliance
has negotiated a peace settlement or until the attacker no longer poses a direct
threat to the ally.

Once at war, each nation pledges to fully commit itself to the cause of war and
to use all means at their disposal to promptly prosecute the war.

Any cities captured by an enemy and recaptured by an ally shall be returned to
the original owner of the city at a reasonable time.

This alliance is defensive only. The allies may agree to jointly attack a third
party, but if one ally decides to attack a third party and thereby start a war,
the other is not obligated to also declare war, even if the third party later
attacks the ally.

VIII Separation of Agreements

This alliance agreement does not preclude both nations from making additional
deals, agreements, or pledges outside this agreement. Should any of those
additional deals, agreements, or pledges be violated or broken, this agreement
shall remain intact.

IX Termination of This Agreement

This agreement shall not end until the following takes place:

1) An issue or disagreement within the alliance rises up that cannot be resolved
by a complete and faithful negotiation by both sides.

2) After negotiation has failed, either side may propose a "No Confidence" vote
within their nation, regarding their faith in the alliance.

3) Should a majority of the people of either nation vote that they have "No
Confidence" in the alliance, the other nation must immediately be informed of the
decision.

4) After being informed, this agreement shall terminate. Both nations may then
begin negotiations on a new agreement.

Should either nation intentionally break the terms of this agreement, the other
side may automaticlly declare "No confidence" in the agreement. Upon informing
the other side of the breach and the decision to declare "No confidence", this
agreement shall end.

 

[Ankka]

It doesn't look too bad, except that I didn't see anything about BoP...


BTW, they should try and learn to write our nations name correctly: It's Fanatikou not Fanatiku!

 

[Bootstoots]

I didn't expect them to include anything about BoP, and I think we're going to have to compromise and take Equilibrium, letting them have BoP. However, it looks like a good proposal. Perhaps we could change it a bit to forbid one party from declaring war without the consent of the other. Also, we may want to consider a clause that would require each nation to gift the other technologies that it researched.

 

[Fier Canadien]

Yea, it looks good.

And forget about PoV, they're never going to give it to us. After all, we wouldn't give it to them either. So, get a few cities close to it and forget it.

 

[Ankka]

Yes, well, I would be happy if we did gt Equilibrium and then got our side of the island settled, then we could think of hat to do next.

 

[croxis]

We should both get one choke point, if they want PoV, we get the one up north

 

[Veera Anlai]

Yes, I suggest we append a clause determining the borders of our country so that we won't have any land disputes in the future. Or do we have a land agreement already?

Other than that, it looks good.

 

[Octavian X]

Apolyton suggested that we keep border agreements and alliances seperate.

I'm not a fan of the tech-sharing clause, either. It should be more open, a full tech parity agreement without restrictions.

 

[Ankka]

Yes, I think so too. ..

 

[Noldodan]

Nitpicking: Under Tech Cooperation it states that "Neither nation will resell technology aquired from the other without express
permission from the nation who first aquired the technology." Later, however, in Separation of Agreement it states that "This alliance agreement does not preclude both nations from making additional deals, agreements, or pledges outside this agreement."
Is it just me, or is that a contradiction?

 

[Fier Canadien]

Originally posted by Noldodan
Nitpicking: Under Tech Cooperation it states that "Neither nation will resell technology aquired from the other without express
permission from the nation who first aquired the technology." Later, however, in Separation of Agreement it states that "This alliance agreement does not preclude both nations from making additional deals, agreements, or pledges outside this agreement."
Is it just me, or is that a contradiction?

They mean that other deals are not subject to it.

 

[Cheetah]

Um... shouldn't we give money to Apolyton to boost their research? If they will have "copyright" on the techs, it will be unfair.

 

[Micaelis Rex]

OK, a couple observations I've made upon reading this...

III ROP: For naval units traveling in packs of more than 1, it says that permission must be asked of the nation whose border is being entered. It would be better for permission to be granted as well.

V NAP: It says neither nation may enter the borders of the other. This should be clarified to neither nation may enter any land within the other's borders. Otherwise #III is redundant.

V NAP: I don't like the clause about not attacking the other's units. Ever hear of cheap leaders?

VI Shared Intel: If one of the nations has agreed not to reveal info it knows about another nation to anyone, than it shouldn't have to reveal it to its ally. Being forced to break an agreement isn't a good idea.

VII Military Denfense Pact: "Once at war, each nation pledges to fully commit itself to the cause of war and to use all means at their disposal to promptly prosecute the war." I don't like the 'all means at their disposal' part. That could imply that every military unit we own must be sent towards the fight, and that all production be switched to military. Should be changed to: "Once at war, each nation pledges to fully commit itself to the cause of war in order to promptly prosecute the war."

VIII Separation of Agreements: A sentense should be added to this saying that any deals signed before the start of the alliance are still viable over the alliance, so long as they are disclosed to the other nation before the signing of the alliance.

IX Termination of the Agreement: This is worded so that it is very easy to terminate the agreement, as only one of the nations needs to pass the vote of "No Confidence". At the very least, a clause should be added stating that following the termination of the agreement, aggressive action may not be taken be either nation against the other for a minimum of 20 turns. This way we won't have any "Shock and Awe" scenarios.

OK, thats all. Hope it helped.

/MRex

 

[Octavian X]

As a note, the final vote on the alliance is already up.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72940