Are you sticking with civ4?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by fathertuck, Aug 30, 2010.

  1. binhthuy71

    binhthuy71 Emperor

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    Staying with Civ IV for the foreseeable future. Just built a new box (AMD Phenom X6 1090T CPU, ATI Radeon 5870 Graphics, 8Gb RAM, 2 SATA 6 HD's in RAID 0, Win 7 Ultimate, etc.) so running the game wouldn't be a problem.

    Civ IV has become a highly polished, excellent game and with all of the mods available it still hasn't become old for me. The fact that Steam is required to run the thing puts me off of it completely.
     
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    I got CIV V, play, won easy, got bored and upset by very bad balancing and changes that transformed Civ in a glorified Risk.



     
  4. fociwm

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    I bought Civ IV BTS after Civ V got bad reviews here this forum.
    This is my first Civ game, and I'm getting addicted.
    I'll wait several more years until Civ V gets good review or buy Civ VI.
     
  5. Asterix Rage

    Asterix Rage Warlord

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    For now, civ V is a massive joke
    It will be great when patchES, ExpansionS and mods will be released.

    Stick on Civ IV +BTS +Mods is a "must do" for 1 year minimum
     
  6. Ataxerxes

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    Right now, BTS is easily the best thing available. And it is the most addictive as well with a lot of mods available and all. You have years of fun ahead of you with BTS. I'm not sure they'll ever fix Civ V.

    Your plan is a good one. I haven't bought V yet and I appreciate all the work of the Beta testers who bought the game when it came out. I will probably eventually succumb and buy the game after it gets polished.
     
  7. Haig

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    Back in september I predicted on this thread that I'll play both IV and V side-by-side.

    After V was released I wrote here in an euphoric rush that there's no turning back to Civ IV. :crazyeye:

    Now.. I already am tired of V and find it pretty shallow and even..boring!
    I'll play it again after patches and maybe an expansion. Still lot of the faults are in the core of the Civ V game I guess, so I think Civ IV will never be irrevelant for fans of a brilliant strategy. :)
     
  8. sherbz

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    The problem with implementing patches in to a game like civ is that the implications of certain fixes generally require a significant amount of play testing in order to ensure that they work and not screw up the rest of the game. If you tweak situation A in the BC's, that could result in situation X crashing the game in the AD's. Unfortunately, I think Civ 4 was so buggy when it came out Firaxis never really got out of the playtesting frame of mind (when fixes should have been purely focused on things like AP palace and game balance after consulting forums and doing research). A similar fate lies in store for civ 5 if im not very much mistaken.

    Some of the mechanics in 4 are obviously busted (AP). Also, some of the patches did some purely weird stuff (barb galleys). I dont agree with TMIT though. There is no such thing as a perfect game and craving one will always leave you disappointed. When it comes to game balance starcraft is perhaps the most balanced and varied game ever created. Civ 4 is not in the same league, but it is certainly a lot better than other games in a similar genre (Master of Orion 2 springs to mind). Its all well and good wanting a game to fit our own idealist view of how it should be, but its simply not feasible. The quality of information is not available and nor are the resources. I think for a game like civ the developers use the modding community as a crutch to help sort out the things that would otherwise cost them resources. Its not right but its the reality of computer gaming. Look on the bright side, its A LOT BETTER than it used to be. In the past all we had to rely on were patches and hope against hope that they fixed the thing we wanted fixing.
     
  9. binhthuy71

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    My memory isn't that great but, I seem to recall a lot of complaints about Civ IV when it was first released. Most of them were centered on obvious bugs though rather than on the game mechanics. IV did have the advantage of following Civ III, a game that Firaxis (To my mind anyway) never quite fixed.

    Having tried the demo version of Civ V I can say that I'll be staying with Civ IV until Civ V available in a "Complete" version for twenty bucks. It took five years and many mods to get Civ IV to its current state of esteem so I doubt that Civ V will fare any better.
     
  10. Abegweit

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    Right. The problems were huge. As I recall, a quarter of people couldn't get the game to run at all. However, almost everyone agreed that, if you could get it to run, the game was great.

    I loved C3C. Although you're right that it was never fixed. The fact that the AI never knew how to fill up an army was simply inexcusable.

    Edit: I miss armies.
     
  11. Lemon Merchant

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    I was hopeful about V on release. I tried to look at it in a positive light, but not now.

    I just applied the patch for V tonight. I could play just over 100 turns before it crashed. :mad:

    I'll take any free DLC that Firaxis decides to try to placate us with, but I won't be purchasing any, and I won't be playing it until it gets a pretty good overhaul. I'll be sticking to BTS, and I'll keep modding for it, so that I can help to make a really good game even better for those of us who have been left out in the cold.
     
  12. bestbrian

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    Lemon Tested; Not Lemon Approved.

    Another new Avy, btw? :)
     
  13. sherbz

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    or the rather annoying habbit of marching through your territory when the same luxury was not open to you.
     
  14. Abegweit

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    That's not unfinished. The AI in Civ3 cheated, just like in 1 & 2. Among other things it always knew the entire map. That's just how the game was. You could exploit its cheating. For example, leave a city without any defenders. The computer would invariably make a beeline for it allowing you to slaughter its troops along the way.
     
  15. Merzbow

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    Just came back to Civ after 4 years when I heard Civ5 was released. Quickly discovered that it sucked, and noted how mature Civ4 has become with the various mods available. Graphics aren't too far off Civ5 with the Blue Marble mod as well (and much better in some cases, i.e. the infamous rivers). Civ4 is perhaps the perfect iteration of the concept of this series of games. They should simply keep re-releasing it as is with upgraded graphics engines/OS compatibility until the end of time...
     
  16. Iranon

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    By that logic, they probably should have frozen innovation at civ2 (which was a rather conservative evolution of civ1 anyway).
    It remains a very polished entry with very little wrong with it. It's entirely reasonable to argue it's still the perfect incarnation since 3 is made for accountants (both for the micromanagement and the exploitation of loopholes), 4 is made for people with a grudge against elegant design and mathematics, and 5 is a mess. I do love civ4 best of the series though, despite everything that's wrong with it.

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    I think it's good that they were willing to try something new, but the implementation has me scratching my head in places:
    Civ combat AI never came close to a semi-competent human. Making war more demanding on the AI, less forgiving and less suited to unequal challenges with high-level handicaps is a bold move. It would have been a surprise to see it work.

    Heavy-handed mechanics to keep an ICS from being the dominant strategy is par for the course. I was very pleased that they actually worked for a change in civ4: it was possible to out-expand high-level AIs but certainly not the only valid option, and the opportunity costs were such that most people didn't bother.
    I'm not asking that things be kept the same, but using safeguards that humans can easily work around and that don't really affect AIs noticably shows someone didn't learn their lessons.

    Unequal terrain kept expanding interesting, full of tension, time pressure and small trade-offs. Making the quality of the land less of a deciding factor coupled with making it take a long time to have cities reach their full potential makes the lack of constraints on horizontal expansion even more egregious.

    Many problems can probably be fixed given time and willingness to do so... but despite the apparent streamlining the developers made life unnecessarily hard for themselves.
     
  17. Wodan

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    Sticking with Civ4 for now. There are enough lack of features in the reports about Civ5, plus some issues (though it's nice they've put out a patch already). I need a new PC which I may get for myself for Christmas, too. My hard drive is about full and I've cleaned it up as much as I can. I'm playing Starcraft II and Planetfall, and I've been thinking of getting into ROM. But I definitely will get Civ5 pretty soon.
     
  18. casey1966

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    Yes,sticking with IV.Tried V and the deal breaker is one unit per square.Actually it's been a few years since I've posted or played Civ IV, re-installed & have been playing all day long.
     
  19. cdcuase

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    True. I was one of the players back then that had problems running civ4. But to me the gameplay wasn't flawed, I didn't have an urge to go back to civ3. To me it definitely felt like a step up from the previous game.

    But Civ5? No technical problems running it on the first day, but after about a week of playing I was so bored with the game that I found myself going back to Civ4. And I hate it when people tell me "oh, you just want civ4.5". Uh, no. Civ5 is just dull for reasons mentioned numerous times on this forum.
     
  20. h@@kon

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    do you experience to be thrown out when playing in Win 7? I did, so i only use my old XP computer when playing Iv...but would like to use the win 7 computer on IV since CiV didn't really satisfy me...
     

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