You know Civ 3 is a pretty good game. I enjoy playing it. BUT DAMNIT THERE IS JUST TOO MANY THINGS THAT SUCK ABOUT!!! I hate that big scenarios take so long to load up even if you have a freakin supercomputer. I hate that the skill of the AI doesn't get any better when you go up in levels, just their advantages on the human. I hate how now when you update, it makes all your other games useless. The reason that I made this post, and something I hate now only because I have experienced it now, is that if some file is missing the whole game quits! What is up with that? I also don't want to have to buy 2 updates that makes anyone on the previous update unable to play me online. All I hope is that Civ 4 has a much different flavor than Civ 3.
Arrrrrgggghhhh
- Thread starter UFDelt
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Civ3 is fine.
Big scenarios that take to long? Don't play them.
The AI has been like that for long time.
If you dont like losing your games when you update, update after you finish or use PTW or vanilla.
As for the whole game quitting, reinstall it..?
Big scenarios that take to long? Don't play them.
The AI has been like that for long time.
If you dont like losing your games when you update, update after you finish or use PTW or vanilla.
As for the whole game quitting, reinstall it..?
If you say "buy 2 updates", then I assume that you have vanilla Civ3. You can't play online with vanilla Civ3. Even if you have PTW and C3C, you can still play online with both version. The PTW and C3C AI are a little better. Also, get the latest patch, too. A lot of the scenarios with PTW are unfinished, with the full versions being on the forum.
That's fine that you don't play big scenarios- but I do. That's what I loved about Civ 2, and that's what I like in Civ 3. I know the AI has been stupid like that for a long time- I've been playing Civ since 1992. But that still doesn't mean that the only way the AI gets better is through easier requirements. I've yet to play on the harder levels of Civ 3- I'm on Regent and about to move up to King (I think that's what it is) but all that I've read about the harder levels is that I have to give up on building wonders or some other thing I can't do anymore and that's no fun.And whenever you do patch updates- it makes the games that you played pre-patch (for instance C3C v 1.22) unplayable. I am going to reinstall it and I'm guessing that's what the problem is. HOWEVER, if you're loading a scenario and the file isn't there, the game still quits. I can understand the loading of that particular scenario not working but why won't it just stop the operation and let me move on to another game instead?
I still bought PTW and Conquests but I think it's BS that I even have to buy these. I understand Firaxis' decision to do that. It makes them more money- end of story.
All I'm saying is that I, as a consumer and speaking only for myself, want to see a better integrated game that functions more smoothly AND better AI where they get more difficult because they get better strategy, not more benefits over the player.
I still bought PTW and Conquests but I think it's BS that I even have to buy these. I understand Firaxis' decision to do that. It makes them more money- end of story.
All I'm saying is that I, as a consumer and speaking only for myself, want to see a better integrated game that functions more smoothly AND better AI where they get more difficult because they get better strategy, not more benefits over the player.
zerksees
in remission
Help us out. If you find such a game let us know!
I doubt that what you are asking for is important enough to the "average consumer" who will buy these games to get a game writing organization to address it. If it was surely the game would have been written this way.
I think your best hope is to try to support the movement to get the source code for Civ 2, then work on improving the AI for that (or hope someone else does).
Or maybe someone could get some concrete market analysis indicating such a game would sell millions of copies - more than just the flashy graphics or new units.
I held out buying Conquests for a while, because I think Firaxis/Atari could do a lot better making the game better the first time so we could avoid the frequent patching. In the end I gave in because I wanted to share my experience with other players, and it wasn't working too well when they were on C3C and I was on PTW. By waiting at least I avoided all the initial bugs that I knew would be there. Atari should thank civfanatics for my purchase of C3C! I am quite sure I would not have bough it otherwise.
I have probably spent $100 on all 3 discs, but when you consider how many hours I have played this game, the entertainment value was well worth it, patches, weak AI and all. How many hours at the movies or at concerts would you get for $100?
One more thing - you will probably never get a satisfactory answer to the missing file problem. There are no more patches coming out for vanilla Civ 3. So either try to get the thing working again (reinstall or whatever) or deinstall the game and move on to something else. There's not much other choice. Good luck.
I doubt that what you are asking for is important enough to the "average consumer" who will buy these games to get a game writing organization to address it. If it was surely the game would have been written this way.
I think your best hope is to try to support the movement to get the source code for Civ 2, then work on improving the AI for that (or hope someone else does).
Or maybe someone could get some concrete market analysis indicating such a game would sell millions of copies - more than just the flashy graphics or new units.
I held out buying Conquests for a while, because I think Firaxis/Atari could do a lot better making the game better the first time so we could avoid the frequent patching. In the end I gave in because I wanted to share my experience with other players, and it wasn't working too well when they were on C3C and I was on PTW. By waiting at least I avoided all the initial bugs that I knew would be there. Atari should thank civfanatics for my purchase of C3C! I am quite sure I would not have bough it otherwise.
I have probably spent $100 on all 3 discs, but when you consider how many hours I have played this game, the entertainment value was well worth it, patches, weak AI and all. How many hours at the movies or at concerts would you get for $100?
One more thing - you will probably never get a satisfactory answer to the missing file problem. There are no more patches coming out for vanilla Civ 3. So either try to get the thing working again (reinstall or whatever) or deinstall the game and move on to something else. There's not much other choice. Good luck.
Of course it won't load a scenario if files are missing. Without safety checks like that the game would be extremely buggy... 
Besides, it's worth it to get a faster computer, the Middle Ages conquest was unplayable for me with 450 MHz (15 minutes per turn), but now with 2600 MHz it runs smooth as yoghurt. You can't blame Atari if you have a crappy computer, can you?
@Zeekater; I see you have a postcount of 668; that's the Neighbor of the Beast.
Besides, it's worth it to get a faster computer, the Middle Ages conquest was unplayable for me with 450 MHz (15 minutes per turn), but now with 2600 MHz it runs smooth as yoghurt. You can't blame Atari if you have a crappy computer, can you?
@Zeekater; I see you have a postcount of 668; that's the Neighbor of the Beast.
SesnOfWthr
True Believer
zerksees said:
That's what these rants always boil down to isn't it. "God this game stinks so much, there's so many problems with it, so on and so forth, but it's lightyears beyond anything else so I'll grudgingly have to keep playing it."
Personally, I think civ is an extremely intricate and immensely enjoyable game. Look how many different types of players it can cater to. Team players, solo players, creation people, mod players, etc. The list goes on. This site (and others) are a testament to that.
I don't think that cIV will even have that much better of an AI, but maybe version 5 or 6 will. I have enough trouble with the discounts the AI gets at higher levels, I'd hate to see the results if it were smarter than me too. Oh wait, maybe it already is....
Masquerouge
Deity
About the AI, I've read somewhere on this site that Firaxis stated that making a very intelligent AI that would outsmart you every game isn't difficult. They could do it.
However, making a CHALLENGING AI, one you can sometimes beat and sometimes it beats you, now that's hard. And that's what they're trying to do.
So all these "Poor AI" rants are really... well, rants.
Yeah, me too. Civ3 was Vanilla, now I really want some green lemon for Civ4, YOU HEAR ME FIRAXIS ?
However, making a CHALLENGING AI, one you can sometimes beat and sometimes it beats you, now that's hard. And that's what they're trying to do.
So all these "Poor AI" rants are really... well, rants.
UFDelt said:
Yeah, me too. Civ3 was Vanilla, now I really want some green lemon for Civ4, YOU HEAR ME FIRAXIS ?
BassDude726
It's Just a Phase
Personally, I like the AI being dumb. It's fun to watch stacks of cavalry run into your mech infantry.
Well I guess I was just ranting. I guess the only reason I rant is that you guys can understand where I'm coming from because you're as addicted as I am- I have yet to meet anyone that's addicted like I am. I have been completely addicted to this game since 1992! I can remember being up at 4 in the morning when my mom walked in on me playing, me with the look as if I had just got caught masturbating, her threatening to break the cd in half, me pleading to do everything she ever wanted me to do with ever fiber of my soul because the game meant that much to me. When Civ 2 came out, the game was just as magical. I don't know I guess I'm just disappointed that Civ 3 wasn't as magical for me. Don't get me wrong- I'm still addicted to it, I just wish it fed my addiction better. I guess it's like being addicted to crack and always using top quality crack but you lost your job so now you can only afford mid-grade crack.
Masquerouge- that's really interesting about the AI, I'd love to find out more about that.
Thanks Dell for understanding.
Masquerouge- that's really interesting about the AI, I'd love to find out more about that.
Thanks Dell for understanding.
zerksees
in remission
Masquerouge said:
I seriously doubt this. I would greatly appreciate it if you could post a link to the thread or article that states this.
Now I must rant...
I am quite sure the naval ineptitude of the AI wasn't written that way on purpose. Nor the AI's reluctance to attack armies, nor the AI's inability to realize that a trade of a one-tile island of no strategic value for 4 techs is a good idea, nor the AI's inability to use artillery effectively on offense, etc. etc. ... But I am just a systems analyst - what do I know?
I suppose if the AI was "almighty", refused to deal with the human player ever, and could look at all your cities, units, and their locations, it might have a chance.
Saying this is a good way of deceiving us into thinking it is possible, and a good excuse for redirecting those resources who would work on the AI into preparing flashy new features that will sell hundreds of thousands of copies.
The ranting is done, thanks for reading!
I agree - there are several things that suck about it from a playability point of view.
Too bad the developers did not get time to actually play the game before they released the alpha.
However, there is no other turn-based strategy game with the same depth and rational between game elements.
What would you be doing without it, wandering the streets demanding tribute?
Too bad the developers did not get time to actually play the game before they released the alpha.
However, there is no other turn-based strategy game with the same depth and rational between game elements.
What would you be doing without it, wandering the streets demanding tribute?
WackenOpenAir
Deity
Today when i was at war, i stationed a stack of units on a mountain inside enemy territory.
The damn AI just walked past it instead of attacking it.
Damn smart AI
The damn AI just walked past it instead of attacking it.
Damn smart AI
Masquerouge
Deity
zerksees said:
Yeah, I know, my comment is more of "I've heard a friend who saw someone tell his pal..."
Now I'm pretty sure I've read this here. Thing is, I'm mighty dumb, for I can't find the "search" function on this forum ?
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