ARTICLE CREATION - Nominations, Debates, and Elections

[Chieftess]

Nominations, Debates, and Elections

Points to discuss for creating this article:

These are the things that won in the polls -



* Standard Election Cycle (7/3/3 days - noms/debates/election) '
* Strict 1 office per player.
* Debates continue through the elections.
* nominees win elections by simple majority of votes.


There was no clear winner for the debates structure question (per thread or per office). Let's get a compremise on this one, and put this one to a poll and in the books.

 

[DaveShack]

Let's do debate in the nomination thread, with no separate time period (concurrent with nominations).

 

[ravensfire]

Works for me. I'd prefer to see one debate thread per branch, just to keep the nomination thread uncluttered, but can handle putting everying in 1 thread.

-- Ravensfire

 

[ravensfire]

Article X.
              No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership 
              (President, Vice-President, Department Leader, 
              Judiciary, Provincial Governor, Deputy) simultaneously,
              nor shall have more than one accepted nomination at the
              commencement of the general election.
              
NOTE:  There is a seperate discussion on term lengths, which also 
describes how an election winner is chosen (most votes) and runoff 
procedures.  Thus, it's not included here.  Please discuss that in 
[thread=111911]this thread[/thread].        
              
CoL

X. Elections
  1. Nominations and Debate
    a. Nominations will be created by the Election Office 7 days prior 
    to the end of the month.  Citizens may nominate themself or 
    another citizen in this thread.  Citizens may also post pre-
    nominations in the Election Office thread if they will not be 
    present during the nomination period.  This nomination thread 
    should contain a description of the office.
    b. All debates will be within the nomination thread, and will 
    continue through the end of the election cycle.  Any citizen may 
    post questions for the candidates to answer.  Candidates may answer
    or not answer as they wish.
    c. A nomination is not considered Accepted until the candidate 
    makes an explicit post.  All self-nominations are considered 
    Accepted unless otherwise stated.
 2. Election Polls
    a. Election polls will be created by the Election Office 3 days 
    after the Nomination threads are created.  These polls will contain 
    the names of all Accepted candidates for the office, a description 
    of the office, a link to the nomination thread, be set to run for 
    3 days and be marked private.
    b. Should a citizen Accept multiple nominations, and does not 
    explicitly clarify which office they wish to run for, the Election 
    Office will use the first office they Accepted.
    c. The citizen with the most votes at the close of the poll is the 
    winner of the election.  Should 
 3. General
    a. The Election Cycle will run from the first nomination thread is 
    opened until the last runoff poll closes.
    b. All threads and polls should be posted at approximately 00:00 
    GMT on the correct day.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Strider]

We need to change the more than one accepted nomination.

Were having problems filling poistions, lets not be idoits trying to make a "perfect society." Open it up to where people can run for 2 poistions, and were solve some of our headaches.

 

[Black_Hole]

We need to change the more than one accepted nomination.

Were having problems filling poistions, lets not be idoits trying to make a "perfect society." Open it up to where people can run for 2 poistions, and were solve some of our headaches.

we dont need that during term 1, if it ends up later in teh game we need that then we can amend teh constitution

 

[Strider]

we dont need that during term 1, if it ends up later in teh game we need that then we can amend teh constitution

So, you propose we don't fix the problem untill about the time people start complaining about it again? Good idea...

Now... lets get it changed.

 

[ravensfire]

Strider - that was in the poll, and lost.

1 person, 1 nomination, 1 vote.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Black_Hole]

So, you propose we don't fix the problem untill about the time people start complaining about it again? Good idea...

Now... lets get it changed.

Strider lets be reasonable, we have 3 options:
1. We have it set to 1 nomination, great early game, bad late game
2. We set it to 2 nominations, bad early game, great late game
3. We change it late game to 2 nominations, good early game, good late game.

I have an idea, why not set it to automatically change when in terms where the census is below a certain number. I would suggest 30.

 

[Strider]

Strider - that was in the poll, and lost.

1 person, 1 nomination, 1 vote.

-- Ravensfire

Actually, it was in the poll and won.

 

[Strider]

Strider lets be reasonable, we have 3 options:
1. We have it set to 1 nomination, great early game, bad late game
2. We set it to 2 nominations, bad early game, great late game
3. We change it late game to 2 nominations, good early game, good late game.

I have an idea, why not set it to automatically change when in terms where the census is below a certain number. I would suggest 30.

The point of that being?

 

[ravensfire]

Actually, it was in the poll and won.

That's certainly an odd interpretation of the results.

From the poll:
Strict 1 office per player: 16
2 Nominations per player, can hold multiple offices: 1
2 Nominations per player, can hold one office per branch: 5
2 Nominations per player, (player must choose 1 if the player wins both offices): 10

Strict 1 office per player won. That's one person, one nomination, one office.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Strider]

That's certainly an odd interpretation of the results.

From the poll:
Strict 1 office per player: 16
2 Nominations per player, can hold multiple offices: 1
2 Nominations per player, can hold one office per branch: 5
2 Nominations per player, (player must choose 1 if the player wins both offices): 10

Strict 1 office per player won. That's one person, one nomination, one office.

-- Ravensfire

I see Nominations as something completely differant from how many offices a person can hold.

I see the results as the following:

2 Nominations per player, can hold multiple offices: 1
2 Nominations per player, can hold one office per branch: 5
2 Nominations per player, (player must choose 1 if the player wins both offices): 10

 

[ravensfire]

That's a creative approach.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Strider]

That's a creative approach.

-- Ravensfire

It's a logical approach, and the way I saw the poll when I voted.

 

[Black_Hole]

It's a logical approach, and the way I saw the poll when I voted.

16 people saw it another way.
You are just taking advantage of the multiple choice poll and the wording, to suit your fancy.

 

[Civanator]

Strider is right though, that says 2 nominations, but only 1 office, which does follow 'strict 1 office per player.' It doesn't say "1 accepted nomination, 1 office per player." If that is what you meant then it should have been that way, but it doesnt specify how many nominations, so you have to use one of the last 3 options. In this case, the 2 nominations, but 1 office held also got a considerable amount of votes. Strider's view is the most logical.

 

[MOTH]

You can make polls and statistics mean what ever you want when its not stated up front. Its the case of another poll with unclear rules.

You could also say that more that 16 people wanted something other than "strict 1 person per office" if you add the other 2 office/nomination options and the ignore governors option togather. Stider and I both voted for the option that got 5 votes. If this was going to be strictly a 50% + thing then we should discount people who voted for more than one of these options, in which case even the strict 1 person per office would fall under 50%.

Still, this was the only option that got solid support by 16/31 people. Go with it.

 

[Strider]

You can make polls and statistics mean what ever you want when its not stated up front. Its the case of another poll with unclear rules.

You could also say that more that 16 people wanted something other than "strict 1 person per office" if you add the other 2 office/nomination options and the ignore governors option togather. Stider and I both voted for the option that got 5 votes. If this was going to be strictly a 50% + thing then we should discount people who voted for more than one of these options, in which case even the strict 1 person per office would fall under 50%.

Still, this was the only option that got solid support by 16/31 people. Go with it.

I'll give up on this, because it seems that Ravensfire's "way of seeing it" is how the poll maker wanted it to be seen.

Still the poll wasn't extremely clear. I would prefer it to be repolled, but it can always be amended in later, so I'll drop it for now. We've got bigger problems that need our attention.

 

[Chieftess]

Poll is here.