Asset file hinting at future and/or cut content

[TheSpaceCowboy]

I don't understand the folks on CivFanatics at all.
Iceland, the Pirate Republic, and an Atomic Age are the only parts of this leak that I like!

Both the Icelandic sagas and the Golden Age of Piracy have played a much larger role in both recorded history and in popular imagination than many of the civs already included.
Iceland seems especially suited for this entry of the series, given the emphasis on exploration in the second age, having been discovered then and in turn leading to the discovery of Vinland.

Tonga and the Maori are bromide; inoffensive in themselves, but a bit redundant, either with one another or Hawaii.
Some are speculating that the Maori will complete a Pacific stack, and Buganda's inclusion in the Modern Age evidences the possibility, but I'm still skeptical of the inclusion of tribal peoples as Modern civs.
Spears and stones against tanks and planes was one of the discordant aspects of Civilization that the Ages system was intended to address.
The inclusion of an Atomic Age actually alleys those concerns, somewhat, at least if it's limited to truly modern nations.
I could see an Atomic Age Australia or New Zealand capping off a Pacific line.

Sayyida and Whina? Who? And more importantly: why?

 

[Archanist]

Sayyida and Whina? Who? And more importantly: why?

As with other, lesser known civs and figures bundled with more well known ones, these two are there to showcase other aspects of history that we would probably never hear about otherwise

 

[Thenewwwguy]

AssetCloud.env located in Base/Platforms/Windows/Config has a bunch of entries about content that was either cut or will be added:

4th age: the Atomic Age

Civs: Iceland, Tonga, Ottomans, Maori, & Pirate Republic

Leaders: Edward Teach, Sayyida al Hurra, Whina Cooper

Wonders: Asia wonders

It also includes all the DLC content already announced.

this sure sounds like they’re planning a pirates and seafarers DLC

Tonga, Maori, Iceland — Seafarers

Ottomans, Pirate Republic — pirates

Edward Teach, Sayyida al-Hurra — pirates

Whina Cooper — Maori leader, most recent leader BY FAR (she died in 1994 — does break the recency theory @Evie and I mentioned if true)

overall, this sounds awesome

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Small, maybe, but seeing as they are responsible for a lot of how we perceive the Norse today (the Eddas, the Althing, and above all else the transatlantic exploration and colonization - all Iceland!), they punch way above their weight. A more than reasonable inclusion.

And also, I'm starting a new campaign for Snorri Sturluson, politician, lawspeaker, historian and preserver of norse history and mythology to be a leader.

leif erikson or thorfinn karlsefni (obviously with all the works to avoid the pop culture perception) would also be really cool

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Whina Cooper is the English name of Hōhepine Te Wake, and she's Māori.

As far as the civs themselves I'm not totally surprised if it turns out to be true. I mean Pirate's Republic and Iceland are about as expected as Nepal and Bulgaria were in my opinion.
I do wonder if Iceland would be Exploration or possibly the first Atomic Age civ?

not just Maori, but one of the most important figures in the maori rights movement and an AWESOME choice

 

[GeneralZift]

I don't understand the folks on CivFanatics at all.
Iceland, the Pirate Republic, and an Atomic Age are the only parts of this leak that I like!

Both the Icelandic sagas and the Golden Age of Piracy have played a much larger role in both recorded history and in popular imagination than many of the civs already included.
Iceland seems especially suited for this entry of the series, given the emphasis on exploration in the second age, having been discovered then and in turn leading to the discovery of Vinland.

Tonga and the Maori are bromide; inoffensive in themselves, but a bit redundant, either with one another or Hawaii.
Some are speculating that the Maori will complete a Pacific stack, and Buganda's inclusion in the Modern Age evidences the possibility, but I'm still skeptical of the inclusion of tribal peoples as Modern civs.
Spears and stones against tanks and planes was one of the discordant aspects of Civilization that the Ages system was intended to address.
The inclusion of an Atomic Age actually alleys those concerns, somewhat, at least if it's limited to truly modern nations.
I could see an Atomic Age Australia or New Zealand capping off a Pacific line.

Sayyida and Whina? Who? And more importantly: why?

Why is your text so large I feel like I aged 50 years

 

[Thenewwwguy]

This "pirate republic" icould be some kind of testing leftover. The whole file doesn't look like something used ingame.

It could be a potential threat for exploration age, either for the whole age, or just a crisis option.

i feel like it’s reasonable since Blackbeard is in the leaders

 

[Thenewwwguy]

NO PIRATE REPUBLIC. this is not a historical choice. not a fantasy game. leave the history adjacent out of the game.

the pirate republic was a real place…

 

[Vahnstad]

Sayyida seems obscure but from a first glance an excellent choice.

Less sure about Whina Cooper. Not fully sold.

Very happy about the Tonga and Maori making it in. Same for Iceland.

Pirates republic undecided.

Blackbeard seems very fun, but as i've said i hope the number of anglosaxons making it in the game won't be exponentially high by the end of the game, and I hope it doesn't count as a "Caribbean leader" or inclusion.

& Ottomans obviously excellent non-controversial choice too.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Less sure about Whina Cooper. Not fully sold.

i fail to see the issue, especially considering you’ve called her “politically motivated” (??) in this thread. she’s one of the most influential maori people ever, especially in more recent times (where they’ve been relatively more united, and hold a lot of political sway in New Zealand/Aotearoa).

I do understand the recency bias, but you mentioned WWII, which is probably too far away atp. that was the bar in civ 5 (2010–so 55 years), and they still had Haile Selassie (who died in 1975, 35 years), and civ 6 (2016–so 61 years), which still had Wilhelmina (died 1964, 52 years).

World War II ended 80 years ago this year, and history didn’t stop after the end of WWII. What of the cold war, the rise of decolonial africa and asia, information age risers like Taiwan and Singapore, etc. Do these deserve less representation because they happened after an arbitrary point nearly a century ago?

Whina Cooper may have died only 30 years ago, but the bulk of her accomplishments happened far earlier in the 20th century (particularly in the 1970s, which civ 5 made clear was up for fair game). Considering her importance to Maori rights (the Land Marches were key to the basis of Maori rights today), she’s a no brainer, and she’s fairly uncontroversial, which makes her recency less of an issue.

 

[stealth_nsk]

One of the arguments against pirate republic as a civ is that the first expansion is likely to be focused on atomic age. This means it will include mostly atomic age civs and the rest of the ages are likely to get 1-2 civs. So, best hopes are to have 15 atomic era civs and 2 civs for other eras (as they'll have 13 with DLC by that time). I really doubt those 2 Exploration civs will be used on such exotic option as pirate republic.

Although I was wrong with my predictions several times before, so no guarantees here.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I won't lie to you guys, if the Pirate Republic had a different name (even historically speaking), it'd probably be a better fit. As-is, it will stick out like a sore thumb

I agree with this so much. If it is under a different name, I would be totally fine. Besides, I don't think Pirates would be added to the main game, like what would their Wonder even be?

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

A boat. A really big boat.

 

[queenpea]

Pirate Republic, along with a lot of other hints in the design of VII, would suggest that Ed Beach is a big EU 4 fan.

(And that’s for good reason, EU is amazing)

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I agree with this so much. If it is under a different name, I would be totally fine. Besides, I don't think Pirates would be added to the main game, like what would their Wonder even be?

probably something in the bahamas

 

[Black Gate]

I agree with this so much. If it is under a different name, I would be totally fine. Besides, I don't think Pirates would be added to the main game, like what would their Wonder even be?

People in this thread have suggested the Fort de Rocher, although from what I can tell the fort was demolished by the Spanish a few decades before the pirates took control of Nassau (and it's in Tortuga!). I do wonder if it's actually a reference to the somewhat longer-lived Republic of Salé, also famous for Berber piracy. It would make the pack represent three pirate polities actually - Salé as a civ, Blackbeard for the Caribbean, and Sayyida in Tétouan at the other end of Morocco.

 

[Xefjord]

At least from a TSL perspective. Republic of Salé would be better from a gameplay perspective, because it would both once again give Carthage someone to transition into being another North African civ, as well as give a starting place for (old world) pirates to start before quickly migrating to the Caribbean. If they did the actual republic of pirates, you would have (European) pirates starting in the new world before the colonial powers ever even made it there. Which would be a bit of a meme.

 

[TheGrayFox]

leif erikson or thorfinn karlsefni (obviously with all the works to avoid the pop culture perception) would also be really cool

If they put in thorfinn, he better say “I have no enemies” everytime I click the diplomacy button

 

[Siptah]

People in this thread have suggested the Fort de Rocher, although from what I can tell the fort was demolished by the Spanish a few decades before the pirates took control of Nassau (and it's in Tortuga!). I do wonder if it's actually a reference to the somewhat longer-lived Republic of Salé, also famous for Berber piracy. It would make the pack represent three pirate polities actually - Salé as a civ, Blackbeard for the Caribbean, and Sayyida in Tétouan at the other end of Morocco.

If it would indeed be Salé, the Kasbah des Oudaïas would make a nice wonder. Although it is not within the Salé city walls, but a few hundred meters away across the river in Rabat (which would also have the Hassan Tower/the never finished mosque as a wonder).

I would have preferred Barbarossa over Sayyida al Hurra or Teach, but I can see how the selected duo is a better package. Still...

Corsairs are already in the game as CS suzerain ability in the exploration era, so I'm curious what's in stock for the pirates.

 

[TheGrayFox]

i fail to see the issue, especially considering you’ve called her “politically motivated” (??) in this thread. she’s one of the most influential maori people ever, especially in more recent times (where they’ve been relatively more united, and hold a lot of political sway in New Zealand/Aotearoa).

I do understand the recency bias, but you mentioned WWII, which is probably too far away atp. that was the bar in civ 5 (2010–so 55 years), and they still had Haile Selassie (who died in 1975, 35 years), and civ 6 (2016–so 61 years), which still had Wilhelmina (died 1964, 52 years).

World War II ended 80 years ago this year, and history didn’t stop after the end of WWII.

But the game literally ends right after the end of WWII