Assorted U.N. Modding Questions

[mechaerik]

I'm making a mod and i need to know how to mod the UN. Where are the resolutions stored? If i change the category of civic, does it still work? I.e, if i make Free Speech a different Civic Option, will that resolution still work?
And can i make it so that the UN bans a certain type of unit as well?

Thanks in advance.

 

[The_J]

GameInfo\Civ4VoteInfo.xml.
The civic-tags are named here, so if you change them to an other category, it'll still work.
But don't forget to rename the text, it is not auto-generated.

 

[Ekmek]

are you going to add python and sdk modding to it too? I really wanted a UN peacekeeper unit that could go into rival territory and prevent units from moving into its square.

 

[mechaerik]

Well, that takes care of my first question, but can i make it so the UN bans a unitclass from being made?
Could it be done in python, or do i have to go to the SDK?

 

[DVS]

are you going to add python and sdk modding to it too? I really wanted a UN peacekeeper unit that could go into rival territory and prevent units from moving into its square.

Great idea! I love it.

It would be unreal to have units that could get mandates from UN votes. They could allow countries who have built the units (and/or who are on the UN security council, a modification we have discussed adding to the w2k9 mod), to do certain tasks, like the peacekeeping one you mentioned above. Entering a hostile country's territory without open borders or declaring war to clear out barbarians is another thing I had in mind.

Also, global trade embargoes are something I thought civ4's UN was lacking.

I'm going to start a thread in our forum about improvements to make to the UN, I hope you'll contribute your ideas.

 

[Ekmek]

I'm going to start a thread in our forum about improvements to make to the UN, I hope you'll contribute your ideas.

sounds cool. i think a lot could be done as quests. if two countries are at war secure area x, y, and z

 

[DVS]

sounds cool. i think a lot could be done as quests. if two countries are at war secure area x, y, and z

Ok, I started the U.N. thread for the World 2009 mod.

Since we're representing today's world, obviously the U.N. is key for us, and we would like to do the most we possibly can with it.

Please share any ideas that come to you. We will do our best to get them included.

Thanks for the ideas so far!

 

[The_J]

Well, that takes care of my first question, but can i make it so the UN bans a unitclass from being made?
Could it be done in python, or do i have to go to the SDK?

Can maybe be done in python.
You have a CannotTrain-method, which prevents units from beeing build.
But i don't know, how to check, if an un-resolution is active .

are you going to add python and sdk modding to it too? I really wanted a UN peacekeeper unit that could go into rival territory and prevent units from moving into its square.

What would be the function of this unit?

 

[DVS]

What would be the function of this unit?

I can't speak for what Ekmek has in mind, but offhand I can think of a few things.

Preventing the civ from:
-moving units to its borders.
-crossing a line of U.N. troops to move units out of their own borders.
-developing the square, including routes.
-utilizing forts located on the square.

-for mods that include the JFortZoC mod (like the one I am working on ), preventing the civ from attacking foreign forts that are inside its territory.

 

[Ekmek]

similar to what DVS said. sometimes you don't want a civ to be wiped out.

I like to play my modern areas similar to how the world is now. balance of power. limited wars etc.

I've never been a fan of how Civ has treated the modern/last era. "You gotta wrap this thing up!" seems to be there approach to an era that could be a lot of fun.

 

[DVS]

That's exactly the area we are trying to expand on. We are only covering the modern era.

If we can get the AI to use the peacekeeper units, we will certainly be including them. If not, we will have to get by with just expanding the capabilities of the votes.

We're also in the process of developing a feature we're calling war escalation. This has a lot to do with what you are talking about; limited wars and so on.

 

[The_J]

But the UN-units would be real not balanced. One in every front-city, and no stack has a chance.
Or am i missing something?

-for mods that include the JFortZoC mod (like the one I am working on ), preventing the civ from attacking foreign forts that are inside its territory.

Test the performance, if you can handle it.
I've added it to my mod, but it decreased the performance dramatically.

 

[mechaerik]

I just had an idea:
I'm almost certain that python could be used so that you can't build a certain unit while you are running a certain civic.
So I could make it so that running a certain civic could keep you from building the unit, then making a switch to that civic a UN Resolution.

Anyone know any good, up-to-date python tutorials?

 

[The_J]

Good idea for cheating , but is maybe not that logical.
Could be better, to define a new civic-category with only 2 civics, both without benefits, only with the unit-building-abilities.


Units with Civics: Use zCivics with zModularPython.
It works (i'm running it), and it doesn't show up in the game.
Just give all civics the ability to build the unit, besides your special one.

 

[mechaerik]

Good idea for cheating , but is maybe not that logical.
Could be better, to define a new civic-category with only 2 civics, both without benefits, only with the unit-building-abilities.


Units with Civics: Use zCivics with zModularPython.
It works (i'm running it), and it doesn't show up in the game.
Just give all civics the ability to build the unit, besides your special one.

Ok, that's great but i still have no idea how to implement this :hammers2:.
What i need now is a good tutorial, because i want to learn python and not have to rely overtly on the community..

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

TheLopez definitely had a CivicOnlyBuilding and a CivicOnlyUnit mod-which were both SDK mods. It would need to be ported to BtS, but they definitely work!

Aussie.

 

[mechaerik]

I'm using RevDCM as a base- SDK mods are out, unless i learn some C++.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Look, as long as I don't have the same porting issues that I had with my mod, then I could probably have something for you in the next 7-10 days if you want.

Aussie_Lurker

 

[mechaerik]

Really? I'm using revdcm with nextwar+ inquisition. I would really be thankful.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Tell you what, if you can e-mail me the SDK files for the mod you're currently using, then I'll try and merge it with the Civic mods that TheLopez did, how does that sound? I'll PM you with my e-mail address.

Aussie