Atlantean uu?

[Grand Cadfael]

I'm in the midlle of creating an Atlantis civ and I'm stuck on the uu any ideas?

 

[puglover]

Maybe some spearman with a trident.

 

[mitsho]

A supreme War Chariot or War Elephant. Afair (as far as I rememer) Plato named them especially while listing up the Atlantinian army. Gameplay wise, a naval uu would be great, suitable for Atlantis, maybe an Ark (fast, loads many many troops?)

mfG mitsho

PS: I know the Ark has nothing to do with Atlanti, but atm I do something on Noah and the Ark, and I just thought, why not propose it. Besides, it'd be a naval uu..

 

[Grand Cadfael]

I was thinking of a cheap setler with 1 atack and defense and minus 1 hitpoint(for balance) but theirs no good graphics

 

[Gomurr]

I wouldn't suggest a settler UU. In most versions of the Atlantis myth, the Atlanteans were a rather aggressive civilization. As such, an offensive military unit would seem most appropriate for them.

My suggestions for the Atlantis UU would depend on which Atlantis myth you're looking to represent. Plato, while calling it an advanced civilization, never suggested that the Atlanteans had particularly advanced technology. So, if you're seeking to adhere to Atlantis as depicted by Plato, I would suggest an early marine of sorts - a swordsman that can attack from ships, with a strong attack and moderate defense. However, many of the Atlantis myths that stem from sources other than Plato depict the Atlanteans as a race of technologically evolved people. In these sci-fi type versions of the civilization, the Atlanteans had advanced flying craft called Valixi which they supposed used in wars against another mythological advanced civilization based on the Indian subcontinent. If you want to represent this version of the Atlanteans, an advanced, space-age type of air unit would probably be a good UU.

Either way, though, the Atlanteans are generally depicted as aggressive, and so I believe they should have some sort of offensive UU.

 

[Grand Cadfael]

I picture them some what closer to later but the first idea sounds great(not to mention more realistic )

 

[Gomurr]

Well, a solution could be to include both. Giving 2 UUs to all the civs is not a new idea, and many of the long-lasting civilizations represented by the regular civs in Civ3 would merit a second UU.

 

[Grand Cadfael]

but what to call it?

 

[Gomurr]

well, the Atlanteans were, in some of the myths, called the People of the Serpent. So maybe Serpent Warrior or some other serpent-themed name would be appropriate?

 

[Grand Cadfael]

Exelent idea! You can count on being in the credits!

 

[Xen]

Ironically, this comes at the time when I;m gatherin gpre-post support for my own idea of an atlantean UU, a spearmen; after findign suitable artowrk, i have already contacted kinboat, who has agreed ot make the needed props; all I need to do is find an artist willing to do the animations

to note, this is the concept

 

[Xen]

well, the Atlanteans were, in some of the myths, called the People of the Serpent. So maybe Serpent Warrior or some other serpent-themed name would be appropriate?

thier is only one true atlantean legend, that handed down by plato

 

[Gomurr]

Asserting any Atlantean legend to be the 'true' one is rather presumptuous, wouldn't you think? Considering that they are myths with little or no evidence, outside of the whole Thera-as-Atlantis thing. What exactly makes Plato's myth any more 'true' than any other myth people have come up with? Is Plato's tale more 'true' simply because he claimed it to be told to him by someone who had it told to him by an Egyptian who considered the story to be history? How is his version of the Atlantis myth any more true than one put forth by someone who claims they have done some psychic-mumbo-jumbo and contacted a dead Atlantean, or someone who claims the tale of the Ramayana describes battles between Atlantean Valixi armed with nuclear weapons? Plato's imagination, or hearsay story if you're inclined to beleive the Atlantis myth, is not inherently more credible than any other source.

I like the unit concept, by the way. It looks very good, and I hope an animator will help you out with it.

 

[Xen]

Asserting any Atlantean legend to be the 'true' one is rather presumptuous, wouldn't you think? Considering that they are myths with little or no evidence, outside of the whole Thera-as-Atlantis thing. What exactly makes Plato's myth any more 'true' than any other myth people have come up with? Is Plato's tale more 'true' simply because he claimed it to be told to him by someone who had it told to him by an Egyptian who considered the story to be history? How is his version of the Atlantis myth any more true than one put forth by someone who claims they have done some psychic-mumbo-jumbo and contacted a dead Atlantean, or someone who claims the tale of the Ramayana describes battles between Atlantean Valixi armed with nuclear weapons? Plato's imagination, or hearsay story if you're inclined to beleive the Atlantis myth, is not inherently more credible than any other source.

I like the unit concept, by the way. It looks very good, and I hope an animator will help you out with it.

I dotn belive atlantis to be there- iot was Tartessos; the varius sub-kingdoms match up well with the other people of the Sea peoples at the tail end of the bronze age, the members, who included most of the western med sea islands, and the Etruscans, and surprisinglly, apeernetlly had connections for an alliance with Lybia connect very well with the territorial depiction of Atlantis; Tartesos itself, beign located just out side the gate of girbaler, in an Iberian river delta lends itself well to the city descprition of it (combined with the thought that iberia'spain itself was an island at that time) and the military expditions correlate well with the attmepts at global domination by the Atlanteans

 

[Xen]

that said, its still more fun to depict them as th emythic island civlization just outside the gates of Gibralter