Attempting Pericles SV - Feedback?

[jsurpless]

Playing on Emperor, think it's going "ok", relatively happy with the # of cities (13) but not too sure with the amount of science per turn (220). I've been trying to lay out districts with adjacency in mind and while it's gone OK, probably 1/2 of my cities don't have Campus +3

What do you all think?

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[Victoria]

What the hell are doing with that much gold while your cities have no libraries? Libraries are cheap, buy them!

If your city is 10 pop, stop growing it. Look at who is working land, if the land they are working is of no real use (2 food for example) then are them a specialist in a campus.

In an SV you should always have your double campus adjacency and rationalism cards slotted.

I do not see pyramids, very key for an SV, more so than Oracle. Megaera was a place you could have done it, amd it still has chopping material unused.

I do not see Kilwa Kisiwani either, one of the strongest wonders And vital for SV, certainly a reason why your science is low

you need to work on adjacencies more. Pergamon campus is +2, you are 1 turn off 7 pop, hopefully you will place another district next to your campus to get it to +3. The difference is typicallY 6-8 Extra science with Kilwa.

I only see one science CS on the map, bummer, 2 or more makes a big diff to your science too.

that’s enough to start with. You are doing fine, you now need to be prioritising science and culture big time. But yes, you do need to build gold or faith for buying a spaceport if taking that route.

 

[jsurpless]

Good tips, thanks

To address your questions

• Kilwa is by Ephesus but as you said, only one science CS...
• Have both SV+ policy cards you mentioned slotted
• Megara is relatively new, was focused on beating back Sparta, both growth and war

One other question I have is how do I get Campus +3 in cities such as Sicyon or Olympia? Seems like they just have to be written off?

 

[Victoria]

Seems like they just have to be written off?

Well, they are not written off and will do help a lot with science but it is about maximising, planting more Districts around it or planting more trees, otherwise.... yeah, it is all about +3 not +4 or +5.
I saw Megaera was new, but also noted it was close to Sparta so would have been known about early for pyramids.
You have done some great stuff. Get those science districts finished, libs bought, unis built and you science will go zoom. This area around getting campus online is vital to push early, as in once most of your cities are out and you are at feudalism or a bit later.

 

[jsurpless]

Planting more Districts around it or planting more trees, otherwise.

I get planting more districts around them but what does planting trees do?

This area around getting campus online is vital to push early, as in once most of your cities are out and you are at feudalism or a bit later.

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

Thanks!

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I disagree with Victoria in that I think your science/culture are really good. Certainly enough to win at Deity regularly, if you get those kinds of yields on a regular basis. # of cities is also good. Faith is very good even. It does however seem like you could've built more Acropoli, because you're only making 7 diplo favor per turn. With Greece (or any Civ really) you should aim for as many suzerains as humanly possible. That would also help your (slightly lacking) gold income!

 

[jsurpless]

I disagree with Victoria in that I think your science/culture are really good. Certainly enough to win at Deity regularly, if you get those kinds of yields on a regular basis. # of cities is also good. Faith is very good even. It does however seem like you could've built more Acropoli, because you're only making 7 diplo favor per turn. With Greece (or any Civ really) you should aim for as many suzerains as humanly possible. That would also help your (slightly lacking) gold income!

I've currently got 5 suzerains, maybe could get 1 more as I only have 3 envoys presently. My primary concern is that I look at the tech tree and it's many many turns until I could unlock techs for SV and then even more so to actually get to the ExoPlanet

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I've currently got 5 suzerains, maybe could get 1 more as I only have 3 envoys presently. My primary concern is that I look at the tech tree and it's many many turns until I could unlock techs for SV and then even more so to actually get to the ExoPlanet

you're not even close to peak science yet. my personal guess is that your peak will be around 1,000. ideally you want around 2,000. here are some things that will significantly boost your science: getting libraries/universities/research labs. running campus research grants in all cities. getting all cities to 10 pop for rationalism. running the campus tile in every city. getting TR with a scientific ally. having the amenities bonus from democracy/new deal. having the amundsen-scott research station. getting a second scientific CS for Kilwa. getting to globalization. these are some of the major milestones boosting your science output.

 

[Victoria]

I disagree with Victoria in that I think your science/culture are really good.

Whoa, he did ask about his science and I was not being nagative..... I said

You have done some great stuff.

He was asking for tips and I gave them. I think, because I started hard with not buying Campi you thought I was criticising... well 1400 gold sitting around doing squat while you have campus with no libs is an improvement of some note and the nice thing was @jsurpless took it well, with their stride and moved on... nothing to riot over.

It does however seem like you could've built more Acropoli,

When someone has 261 culture per turn and 220 science per turn for an SV you are saying build more acropoli. You seem to be implying his culture is not good enough and his lower science value impressive? No his city growth is fine, and his culture science balance wonky but good.
Higher SV players know the balance and it aint whats on his board....but you play a good Sv right? He also could do what only Pericles does well and ISS rush but that is not what you are saying and is quite a specific approach.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

When someone has 261 culture per turn and 220 science per turn for an SV you are saying build more acropoli. You seem to be implying his culture is not good enough and his lower science value impressive? No his city growth is fine, and his culture science balance wonky but good.
Higher SV players know the balance and it aint whats on his board....but you play a good Sv right? He also could do what only Pericles does well and ISS rush but that is not what you are saying and is quite a specific approach.

Culture is totally fine, I was only mentioning Acropoli for the extra envoys, since he seemed to be lacking suzerains. Typically I agree with you and favor slightly higher science per turn over culture per turn for space victories. In his specific case though I think culture will always be higher than science (the Greece percentual boost). If he was playing any other Civ science would likely be higher than culture, which is why I think the balance is pretty good in itself Also, having gold "sitting around" is almost always a mistake unless you're saving, fully agree there. Not making use of ressources is probably one of the most common mistakes in this game!

 

[jsurpless]

This game seems to be going a lot better, though absolutely everyone hates me (and will til the end of time) because I declared war on Cyrus

 

[jsurpless]

Managed to get the SV at Turn 218 - peak science was around 1500/turn... Cree was very annoying as he started conquering my city-states; map layout made it difficult to move around but still got it done... thanks for the feedback!

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