Awesome Sultan images from Ankara :)

[Kyriakos]

More fun in the Sultanate of two eastern Thraces

Real pic:

Awesome parody pic:

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Story is about the building of a new smallish chamber (roughly hosting 250 rooms, for Erdogan's family) to add to the barely adequate 1000-room presidential palace Erdogan created in Ankara

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumhurbaşkanlığı_Sarayı

In the new promo pics you can see the traditional plastic uniforms that turkish soldiers wore from time immemorial

-Do you support the royal Erdogani hotel?

 

[gay_Aleks]

Upon seeing those pictures, the Bulgarian government surrendered faster than France in WWII.

 

[luiz]

I particularly likes this part of the Wiki entry on the palace:

On March 4, 2014, an administrative court in Ankara ordered the suspension of the palace's construction. The suspension order was supported by the Council of State on March 13. Erdoğan ignored the decision, saying "Let them tear it down if they can. They ordered suspension, yet they can't stop the construction of this building. I'll be opening it; I'll be moving in and using it".[5]

What a civilized man!

 

[gay_Aleks]

You just can't deny a Sultan, foolish clerk! Now, off to become an eunuch!

 

[Perfection]

I miss Sultan

 

[H4run]

Consider this, under this sultan we have free education for our children until university you can take all the required book for free for pre-college education, and children under 18 years old enjoy free health care in government hospital while government cover half of the expense in private hospital.

I witness that as my son is a Turkish citizen, government cover all the doctor expenses, if I go to private hospital they cover half of it, during my wife pregnancy the government cover all the expenses, if we go to private hospital it cover part of it. A corrupted government can't do all that. I will say this government is amazing even though not perfect.

 

[luiz]

Consider this, under this sultan we have free education for our children until university you can take all the required book for free for pre-college education, and children under 18 years old enjoy free health care in government hospital while government cover half of the expense in private hospital.

I witness that as my son is a Turkish citizen, government cover all the doctor expenses, if I go to private hospital they cover half of it, during my wife pregnancy the government cover all the expenses, if we go to private hospital it cover part of it. A corrupted government can't do all that. I will say this government is amazing even though not perfect.

And yet the most common cause of death in Turkey are still infectious and parasitic diseases, which is a sign of a pretty bad healthcare system (along with other problems like lack of access to clean water and basic sanitation).

So it seems to me the Sultan could have found better uses for the nation's treasury than building a 1,000-room palace for himself.

 

[H4run]

And yet the most common cause of death in Turkey are still infectious and parasitic diseases, which is a sign of a pretty bad healthcare system (along with other problems like lack of access to clean water and basic sanitation).

We never heard or see such things, Turkey is definitely different than say India or Pakistan or even Brazil, have you been to Turkey? Just bring me the reference of the data and years when it taken. And the health care system here is good, we have both family doctor and government hospital with very good standard and both are free, if one want to chose private hospital the government cover half of the expenses (for under 18 years old). I don't know if US has something like that? I mean why you are not in the side of the betterment of the people why be so sectarian on whom you are siding with?

So it seems to me the Sultan could have found better uses for the nation's treasury than building a 1,000-room palace for himself.

If the Sultan is corrupted and leisure he cannot pay off his imf debt, which we are free of it. Come on luiz, even the pro CHP people here admit Erdogan makes so many breakthrough, the only complain I heard from their side is "oh Erdogan gonna bring shariah back to Turkey" which is a complete rubbish.

 

[warpus]

What about that $1868126016 billion castle he built for himself? How can that be justified?

 

[Kyriakos]

Erdogan should discover Europa Universalis

'Turkey was of strong IRL. Guys, Turkey not is of strong enough in EU'

(should be noted, though, that at least he doesn't run a cleptocracy which robs people of financial means as well, as happens here; he seems less verminously corrupt and more traditional type of crazy).

 

[luiz]

We never heard or see such things, Turkey is definitely different than say India or Pakistan or even Brazil, have you been to Turkey? Just bring me the reference of the data and years when it taken. And the health care system here is good, we have both family doctor and government hospital with very good standard and both are free, if one want to chose private hospital the government cover half of the expenses (for under 18 years old). I don't know if US has something like that? I mean why you are not in the side of the betterment of the people why be so sectarian on whom you are siding with?

Turkey is certainly richer than India or Pakistan, and has a better living standard, but it's about on the same income level as Brazil. Brazil has a higher nominal per capita income, but prices are much lower in Turkey so Turkey has a higher PPP per capita income.

As for actual living and healthcare standards, Turkey is far from stellar. For instance, their infant mortality rate is 21.43 / 1,000 live births (in Brazil it's 19.21, in the USA it's 6.17). So over 3 times bigger than in the US. Their life expectancy is 73.29 years, same as Brazil, but in the US it's 79.56 years. I got all of that from the CIA World Factbook, and the bit about infections and parasitic diseases being the biggest cause of death from the entry on Heath care in Turkey on Wikipedia.

If the Sultan is corrupted and leisure he cannot pay off his imf debt, which we are free of it. Come on luiz, even the pro CHP people here admit Erdogan makes so many breakthrough, the only complain I heard from their side is "oh Erdogan gonna bring shariah back to Turkey" which is a complete rubbish.

I'm not saying Turkey is terrible, I'm just saying it is not a rich country and as such has a lot of bigger problems than lack of a gigantic and idiotic palace for the Sultan-wannabe.

Why are you so defensive about it? It's very legitimate to criticize spending so much on a silly palace when child mortality is still 3-4 times higher than in a developed country. Specially when the Turkish courts themselves said the expense was excessive and ordered the construction to stop, but the Sultan-wannabe decided to ignore them.

 

[IkM]

And yet the most common cause of death in Turkey are still infectious and parasitic diseases, which is a sign of a pretty bad healthcare system (along with other problems like lack of access to clean water and basic sanitation).

Are you for real? Obvious troll is obvious. Lmao.

Anyway, Warriors look great.

Spoiler :

 

[luiz]

Are you for real? Obvious troll is obvious. Lmao.

Anyway, Warriors look great.

Spoiler :

The most frequent causes of death, in order of frequency, are infectious and parasitic diseases, cancer, heart disease, and cerebrovascular diseases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Turkey

If it's wrong feel free to contradict it. But I don't doubt it given that 10% of the Turkish population still lacks sanitation, according to the World Bank.

 

[H4run]

and the bit about infections and parasitic diseases being the biggest cause of death from the entry on Heath care in Turkey on Wikipedia.

Yea I saw that and they are not giving any explanation regarding when, where and how many samples do this assessment take place, and who or which organization done that, in short it look the information not quite credible.

In my case as a foreigner whose son is a Turkish citizen and in all the case of Turkish citizen in general, we got all the expense for our children health care covered by the government until they reach 18 years old, the government even cover half of the expense if we chose to go to private hospital.

I mean I don't think on this level of welfare we still have a "low health care" problem, what can we expect more from the government, tell me? As my wife also studied medicine in the past, most of the medical student must serve to rural area like east part of Turkey before they can be a doctor when they first become a doctor.

If there are any problem after that which is still very much not plausible, maybe it can lay on the need of more socialization of the importance of health care to the rural part of Turkey.

Why are you so defensive about it? It's very legitimate to criticize spending so much on a silly palace when child mortality is still 3-4 times higher than in a developed country. Specially when the Turkish courts themselves said the expense was excessive and ordered the construction to stop, but the Sultan-wannabe decided to ignore them.

Birth mortality in Turkey is around 17 not above 20. Improved water source, rural are 99% (US 97%). That is from world bank. Your criticism regarding the over-expense of this project is valid, however the government here already provided great welfare for their citizen, free health care and education, we graduate as bachelor not as a debt slave which is the case in many country in order to cover the education expense.

edit: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.H2O.SAFE.RU.ZS

 

[luiz]

Yea I saw that and they are not giving any explanation regarding when, where and how many samples do this assessment take place, and who or which organization done that, in short it look the information not quite credible.

In my case as a foreigner whose son is a Turkish citizen and in all the case of Turkish citizen in general, we got all the expense for our children health care covered by the government until they reach 18 years old, the government even cover half of the expense if we chose to go to private hospital.

I mean I don't think on this level of welfare we still have a "low health care" problem, what can we expect more from the government, tell me? As my wife also studied medicine in the past, most of the medical student must serve to rural area like east part of Turkey before they can be a doctor when they first become a doctor.

If there are any problem after that which is still very much not plausible, maybe it can lay on the need of more socialization of the importance of health care to the rural part of Turkey.

A lot of countries offer universal healthcare with superior quality than Turkey. It's not that unique. The overall results in Turkey, while not terrible, are compatible with those of a middle income country, not a developed one. So there's still much room to improve. What more to expect from the government? Well, 10% of the population still lacks sanitation. Child mortality is still 3-4 times higher than in a developed country. 6% of the adult population is still illiterate, including 10% of women.

Birth mortality in Turkey is around 17 not above 20. Improved water source, rural are 99% (US 97%). That is from world bank. Your criticism regarding the over-expense of this project is valid, however the government here already provided great welfare for their citizen, free health care and education, we graduate as bachelor not as a debt slave which is the case in many country in order to cover the education expense.

edit: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.H2O.SAFE.RU.ZS

I got the 21 number from the 2014 World Factbook, which I linked to. And even 17 is still 3 times higher than that of a developed country (but 21 seems to be the right number).

Access to improved water source seems pretty good, but sanitation is still lacking for 10% of the population (compared to 0% in the US and Western Europe). That could explain infectious and parasitic diseases.

So to catch up with a developed country Turkey still has a long way to go in terms of child mortality, sanitation, basic education. There is much the government can do besides spending so much on such a frivolous project.

 

[r16]

Consider this, under this sultan we have free education for our children until university you can take all the required book for free for pre-college education, and children under 18 years old enjoy free health care in government hospital while government cover half of the expense in private hospital.

I witness that as my son is a Turkish citizen, government cover all the doctor expenses, if I go to private hospital they cover half of it, during my wife pregnancy the government cover all the expenses, if we go to private hospital it cover part of it. A corrupted government can't do all that. I will say this government is amazing even though not perfect.

something as almost 44 years old Turkish guy who has lived almost 42 and a half years of his life in Turkey the health services were already that way if you were "insured" , the University is not free because you still have to pay a nominal amount of fees but of course it's peanuts when compared to a College education in the US and any goverment would have done the same amount of work with the trends in the world economy . And the more griveous thing for us Muslims is the way that justifications have been offered that corruption is not as bad as thievery , which in the "Islam" everyone expects from them "defines" as punishable by cutting off stuff . Actually you know there is this jerk of a novelist who has kind of argued the West should keep supporting the New Turkey 'cause in 15 years time the Youth will be soo against Islam . ( The watchers of the scene in Turkey know this is hardly what he "said" but will be sure to grasp the West will "understand" .)

I particularly likes this part of the Wiki entry on the palace:

it's just part of the general fight with the Congregation which still owns the courts and the Party which desperately tries to get the courts . Anything that might help gets dragged into the fight . Just yesterday , the courts stopped the demolition of a movie theater after a year or two it was demolished . The demonstrations where the Police naturally tear gassed movie directors were actaully the precursor of the Gezi events / Taksim riots . Which still doesn't mean that the palace needs to exist inside the Atatürk's agricultural farm complex or stuff . An amendment to stop Judiciary powers interfering with such projects was just withrawn also on yesterday , will probably come back next week .

 

[r16]

More fun in the Sultanate of two eastern Thraces

In the new promo pics you can see the traditional plastic uniforms that turkish soldiers wore from time immemorial

which tempts me so much to update the fun that you personally might have out of it .

now there's this analysis programme ı watch on TV on the mornings ı stay at home , not looking for a job and stuff . And there is this careographed act between two journos where the Party journo acts as if he didn't like the scene , considering it lacked pomp and splendour and the other who acts the critic who was like all laughing . From him we learn the 16 dudes is a "gift" from the the commander of the guard regiment and the PM will find other uses for them as well . The dudes represent a soldier each from the 16 states previously established by Turks and the PM who had already achieved more than anything the Ottomans had done -to be proven by the Sultan's mosque he has constructed in Istanbul is the Commander-in-Chief of the Army , hence the Commander-in-Chief of people like Mete's Huns , the Göktürks and the very Selçuks , never minding the Ottomans . The critic dude stresses that part kinda very strenously . Before comparing some yellow clad dude to that particular protocol droid in Star Wars ; you can see they have watched enough movies to know R2-D2 but CPO3 or something is hell of a name . Must be wetting himself to declare you know whom "accepting" whom as the Commander-in-Chief . Moreover this comes at a time when the royal chewing , the massive rebuke Ankara got has been forcing people(*) to talk about why Secularism is a mighty good thing . What next , what will people do when Ankara welcomes American experts who want to inspect a Starship ?



(*) a member of the Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors committee said we must return to full blown Secularism , or something . Softly supported by the Bilderberg Muslim , who would have insulted the Bilderberg meetings until the day he was invited to one . Making an unpleasant face , the Voice of the Counter-revolution insisted Islamist stuff was still what the West wanted ...

and of course just to stress this not Congregation propaganda , the spitural head of the Congregation also claims they have done more than the Ottomans , who obviously didn't have 1500-1600 schools all over the world . There's a reason why the West sees every Turkish thing as dumb , one should maybe avoid a bit or two , right ?

 

[H4run]

something as almost 44 years old Turkish guy who has lived almost 42 and a half years of his life in Turkey the health services were already that way if you were "insured" , the University is not free because you still have to pay a nominal amount of fees but of course it's peanuts when compared to a College education in the US and any goverment would have done the same amount of work with the trends in the world economy . .

now you can do this without having "sigorta" or get "insured", and back then before Erdogan those who had insurance in order to be able to buy their medicine they have to go to the specific pharmacy within the hospital and there were huge lines, and sometime there was not enough medicine, while today you can go to any pharmacy and get your medicine through insurance. A friend of mine back then in order to took a blood sample she must be in the hospital from 5 am to write her name on the linelist. After that they need to wait their turn to get their sample, now there's no such thing like that.

And children under 18 years old got full covered from government, this started in the time of AKP. And also for education, I was helping a housewife to undergo her highschool studied and the book was completely free you just have to went there and take all the books you need, it was not like that during my wife time where she had to spent lots of expenses to buy books for her studies. And they remove the money for university. And my brother in law now studying in university, it is fully free he doesn't have to pay anything. And students till 24 years old automatically have insurance (sigorta). Given to some lacks that this government may have but I also see and endorse the enormous positive changed that it had done. Bak kardesim yigidi oldur hakkini yeme

One of my lecturer from Ankara university, a very militant ataturkcu and anti-Erdogan guy, he even told me Erdogan government do massive improvement and change, and they are actually working unlike his predecessor which he called them lazy and corrupted. He told me how back then Istanbul was so mess up and dirty, the golden horn was so dirty and you can smell it from afar, people have problem with fresh water, and since Erdogan everything changed.

I salute his honesty, even though until now he hold a firm stance against Erdogan, and ring out over and over again that he is under US and Zionist influence, and he want to apply shariah, which both claim utterly makes me confuse.

And the more griveous thing for us Muslims is the way that justifications have been offered that corruption is not as bad as thievery , which in the "Islam" everyone expects from them "defines" as punishable by cutting off stuff

If you talking about shariah, corruption is stealing and even worse, shariah is quite strict regarding that issue even present or gifted to the government official are banned and considered as bribery, there are record about this the one that I read is during the time of Umar Ibn Khattab.

 

[luiz]

haroon, even if we assume for the sake of the argument that Erdogan did a fine job, isn't it obvious that Turkey still has real problems that require funding, and are far more important than building this ridiculously huge and lavish palace, whose construction was ordered halted by the courts?

What's wrong with Erdogan's current residence? There are far richer countries than Turkey out there, and yet their Presidents / PMs don't live in palaces with 1,000 rooms.

 

[H4run]

haroon, even if we assume for the sake of the argument that Erdogan did a fine job, isn't it obvious that Turkey still has real problems that require funding, and are far more important than building this ridiculously huge and lavish palace, whose construction was ordered halted by the courts?

What's wrong with Erdogan's current residence? There are far richer countries than Turkey out there, and yet their Presidents / PMs don't live in palaces with 1,000 rooms.

Agreed, however Erdogan did a fine job, and I'm all against unnecessary expense by government be that North Korea or even well developed country, I think every government must spend the tax money that they're collected from people wisely. That's why I said from the beginning he is not perfect, however his good overcome his bad.

Now people doesn't have any reason not to learn or not to go to school because it is free. If your condition don't makes you able to attend regular school, you can still attend it at home, all the books and module are free and you can take exam later. And for those who want to attend school they can attend it for free, in short government already facilitate education and health, now what government need to do is to do more socialization about the important of it. My wife and me get regular calls from the government worker to check whenever we late bringing our child to hospital and asking if whether we already take vaccine or not. In short the service is very good, it is impress me.