hotrod0823
Deity
I've got it will try to play tomorrow. Saturday afternoon the latest.
BAM2 The Mongolian Gauntlet (Redux)
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hotrod0823
Deity
Quick update: I've started a war with Korea. Taken the capital and another city about 2 take 2 more. Should be able to wrap it up in the next few turns.
I have played 4 and will not be able to finish until tomorrow.
I had a date with my wife
I have played 4 and will not be able to finish until tomorrow.
I had a date with my wife
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
No worries, Hotrod. Date with wife trumps
hotrod0823
Deity
1650 AD (0): We have 2 turns on gpt deals to Korea but there is a leader I would love to take out. I ask him to move on and he does.
1655 AD (1): Tabriz builds a collesseum starts a battleship. Erdenet a bank
starts Hospital. Baruun-Urt a bank starts police station. Secure our aluminum but won't build a colony as we will have it in 5 more turns. Have a few nice stacks ready to hit Korea.
1660 aD (2): I declare war on Koreans. Kill all units in our lands about a dozen. Lose about 5 tanks to wounded infantry and guerillas. Bomb and capture Cheju and liberate 1095 gold. Take out the radar near Seoul. Use some cavs to take out radar near Taejon and Pyongyand.
1665 AD (3): Pound Seoul destroy every improvement, red or Yellow line all units. Knock it down to 13 then attack and take the city. Decide to hold it and Smiths, Newtons, and sistenes. NOt to mention 1400 gold. Press on to Hit Pyongyang and Pusan the new capital in a few turns, diconnect his uranium.
1670 AD (4): Seoul is starving! Reup the oil deal with Rome, oil for wines, 1000 gold and 90gpt. Pound and Capture P'yongyang and the Manhattan Project. Hit Pusan and get a leader. Move the leader to the Capital, would consider holding him until Internet is available with no real need for another army just yet.
1675 AD (5): Rome took the Korean city of Taejon. Bomb and capture Namp'o and 1690 gold. Bomb and capture the Korean capital of Pusan and more gold. Attack Wonsan but didn't have enough units to take the city. Block passage for the Romans to attack. I will fall next turn.
1680 AD (6): Barely take Wosan, Rome blocked my path but we had enough units to kil 3 rifles and 1 infantry losing the cav army to a regular rifle. Caputer Magellan's and 1283 gold. Korea is gone. Swap all towns to universities if possible. We will need MA to hit Rome if we want to. I will go with the premis of a Space victory and get started on some much needed universities. Spend some gold . Rushed a few improvements around the territory. Turned on Research and Ecology is due in 11 with -85 gpt.
1685 AD (7): A whole lotta buildings built more started. core cities with out libraries got them. Rome has Space flight and will not trade. We have 10500 for a steal attempt.
1690 AD (8): More pollution more buildings a few more units.
1695 AD (9): More builings more consolidation of units. Ecology in 7.
1700 aD (10): More of the same. A few more units etc.
http://civfanatics.net/uploads5/BAM2-1700AD.zip
1655 AD (1): Tabriz builds a collesseum starts a battleship. Erdenet a bank
starts Hospital. Baruun-Urt a bank starts police station. Secure our aluminum but won't build a colony as we will have it in 5 more turns. Have a few nice stacks ready to hit Korea.
1660 aD (2): I declare war on Koreans. Kill all units in our lands about a dozen. Lose about 5 tanks to wounded infantry and guerillas. Bomb and capture Cheju and liberate 1095 gold. Take out the radar near Seoul. Use some cavs to take out radar near Taejon and Pyongyand.
1665 AD (3): Pound Seoul destroy every improvement, red or Yellow line all units. Knock it down to 13 then attack and take the city. Decide to hold it and Smiths, Newtons, and sistenes. NOt to mention 1400 gold. Press on to Hit Pyongyang and Pusan the new capital in a few turns, diconnect his uranium.
1670 AD (4): Seoul is starving
! Reup the oil deal with Rome, oil for wines, 1000 gold and 90gpt. Pound and Capture P'yongyang and the Manhattan Project. Hit Pusan and get a leader. Move the leader to the Capital, would consider holding him until Internet is available with no real need for another army just yet.1675 AD (5): Rome took the Korean city of Taejon. Bomb and capture Namp'o and 1690 gold. Bomb and capture the Korean capital of Pusan and more gold. Attack Wonsan but didn't have enough units to take the city. Block passage for the Romans to attack. I will fall next turn.
1680 AD (6): Barely take Wosan, Rome blocked my path but we had enough units to kil 3 rifles and 1 infantry losing the cav army to a regular rifle
. Caputer Magellan's and 1283 gold. Korea is gone. Swap all towns to universities if possible. We will need MA to hit Rome if we want to. I will go with the premis of a Space victory and get started on some much needed universities. Spend some gold . Rushed a few improvements around the territory. Turned on Research and Ecology is due in 11 with -85 gpt.1685 AD (7): A whole lotta buildings built more started. core cities with out libraries got them. Rome has Space flight and will not trade. We have 10500 for a steal attempt.
1690 AD (8): More pollution more buildings a few more units.
1695 AD (9): More builings more consolidation of units. Ecology in 7.
1700 aD (10): More of the same. A few more units etc.
http://civfanatics.net/uploads5/BAM2-1700AD.zip
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
Nice work, Hotrod. I expected that Korea would be finished by the end of your turns.
Unless there is a strong objection---we will go for space. I am not up to a cross continent modern war invasion, and I want to take the "no prebuild" premise of this varient all the way through to the end.
That being said, if there is strong desire for some
on Rome (revenge from RBP10b would be one), then we can go that way.
After ecology, we should hit computers and rush Seti and massively build research labs. I do not think that miniturization is worth it--even with a rushed internet available with the leader.
Good luck Urugharakh!
Roster:
Bam-Bam
Hotrod (just played)
Urugharakh (UP)
6thGenTexan (ON DECK)
JMB
Unless there is a strong objection---we will go for space. I am not up to a cross continent modern war invasion, and I want to take the "no prebuild" premise of this varient all the way through to the end.
That being said, if there is strong desire for some
on Rome (revenge from RBP10b would be one), then we can go that way.After ecology, we should hit computers and rush Seti and massively build research labs. I do not think that miniturization is worth it--even with a rushed internet available with the leader.
Good luck Urugharakh!
Roster:
Bam-Bam
Hotrod (just played)
Urugharakh (UP)
6thGenTexan (ON DECK)
JMB
Urugharakh
Orc Chieftain
Got it.
hotrod0823
Deity
Perhaps Seti would be a better choice. We will have a strong research core once they all get universities of for that matter libraries built.
Rome's research is slow they are only up Space Flight and we have a lot of gold to spend if we really want it. I could've changed from Ecology as we didn't have any turns invested in it but it would at least give the option of pushing towars MA's and war if we wanted it.
A NO ICBM part prebuild space race sounds like a good idea. Destruction of Rome will have to come at later date.
I tried to get most of our units centralized but rushed a bit at the end to get the game posted so I could get to sleep.
Rome's research is slow they are only up Space Flight and we have a lot of gold to spend if we really want it. I could've changed from Ecology as we didn't have any turns invested in it but it would at least give the option of pushing towars MA's and war if we wanted it.
A NO ICBM part prebuild space race sounds like a good idea. Destruction of Rome will have to come at later date.
I tried to get most of our units centralized but rushed a bit at the end to get the game posted so I could get to sleep.
6thGenTexan
King
I'm going to have to be skipped this turn. I'll be at the in-laws and Civ-less until Saturday.
6thGenTexan
6thGenTexan
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
@ Hotrod. Like I said in my last post--I agree that Seti is the right priority. Most of our productive cities can build research labs in 4 turns anyway--and we have the cash to rush the rest in that time, which is less than 6-8 turns the detour would be to miniturization anyway.
@ Texan. Let's see when Urugharakh gets the game back--many of us are offline during this holiday, so waiting until Saturday is not completely out of bounds (it's not like this has been a tremendously fast-paced game
). Perhaps you and JMB can switch? Does that work for you JMB?
@ Texan. Let's see when Urugharakh gets the game back--many of us are offline during this holiday, so waiting until Saturday is not completely out of bounds (it's not like this has been a tremendously fast-paced game
). Perhaps you and JMB can switch? Does that work for you JMB?
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
Right. Sounds like a plan.
Urugharakh (PLAYING)
6thGenTexan (in the hole--switched with JMB)
JMB (ON DECK)
Urugharakh (PLAYING)
6thGenTexan (in the hole--switched with JMB)
JMB (ON DECK)
Urugharakh
Orc Chieftain
So we want trying a space victory without prebuilds with Rome the only AI left? I doubt Cesar will leave us alone but lets go ahead. We need research labs in all our productive cities and superb city management for our goal. Preturn I spent ~5k of our gold for more libaries and universities. Then a finetuned mm saves 20gpt.
For better research we should sell Rome our technologies @ monopol prices and don't waste our potential on trading. Hence stealing eventual technologies from Rome is essential. Another bunch of gold is spent on a save steal and we have space flight. Dalandzadgad starts Apollo immediately. Hm, from over 10k to less than 2k before I even started with my 10 turns.
Without the need for flip suppression our spears, swords and muskets are of no use at all and are disbanded. Same is true for rifles and cavallry which will be all disbanded during my turns.
First turn no worker shows up while we they have so many things to do. I then discover they were all fortified. I wake them up and let them work for their money.
While not gaining another turn on our research my effords pay of that we now make 130gpt instead of paying 110gpt for our current research speed.
Rome got computers in 1720 AD. Our saved money was spend on stealing computers in 1725 AD. But we don't need seti. Our leader sould be saved for the last space ship part. There is a good possibility, that even our most productive city will not outproduce a roman city with their 60% discount and we might loose the race. We start research labs in our core cities even at the cost of switching through wealth in some cities.
We discover ecology in 1730 AD. Cesar will pay 58gpt and all his 2743g. All he could afford. This is definitely not the monopol price
he should have paid but quite reasonable in few of the fact that researching it after our discovery would cost him only half his normal research cost. Not selling immediately, but we will sell soon.
Unfortunately Rome lost all their gpt next turn and I wo't part with ecology for merly 2.5k gold.
Concerning our peaceful space race
We lost a single defending infantry in Intombe and our defending battleships killed 2 roman ones. Organizing our military took some time. After heavy artillery use U promote a couple of tanks to elite.
Our available leader will now take seti as we have a decent chance of getting a new one. As I started a settler and prefer a city directly on the oil we
Finally we capture Taejon at the cost of 3 tanks and our continent is ours.
Pollutuion in Canton delays Seti by one turn.
I started a few airports. As soon as our oil is online (next turn after settling on it) we need some jet fighters to shoot down enemy bombers. Usually settling on oil should be avoided, butr in our case the city will not be productive and the extra defense against bombardmend is good. We do need a navy once our research lab production is finished.
Don't forget mm Dalandzadgad back to shields using workers for tile management after it reaches size 19 or 20 depending on the shield output of Ulaanbaatar and Dalandzadgad.
We now have enough elite tanks. Lets hope for some roman invaders and another leader.
Game
For better research we should sell Rome our technologies @ monopol prices and don't waste our potential on trading. Hence stealing eventual technologies from Rome is essential. Another bunch of gold is spent on a save steal and we have space flight. Dalandzadgad starts Apollo immediately. Hm, from over 10k to less than 2k before I even started with my 10 turns.
Without the need for flip suppression our spears, swords and muskets are of no use at all and are disbanded. Same is true for rifles and cavallry which will be all disbanded during my turns.
First turn no worker shows up while we they have so many things to do. I then discover they were all fortified. I wake them up and let them work for their money.
While not gaining another turn on our research my effords pay of that we now make 130gpt instead of paying 110gpt for our current research speed.
Rome got computers in 1720 AD. Our saved money was spend on stealing computers in 1725 AD. But we don't need seti. Our leader sould be saved for the last space ship part. There is a good possibility, that even our most productive city will not outproduce a roman city with their 60% discount and we might loose the race. We start research labs in our core cities even at the cost of switching through wealth in some cities.
We discover ecology in 1730 AD. Cesar will pay 58gpt and all his 2743g. All he could afford. This is definitely not the monopol price
he should have paid but quite reasonable in few of the fact that researching it after our discovery would cost him only half his normal research cost. Not selling immediately, but we will sell soon.
Unfortunately Rome lost all their gpt next turn and I wo't part with ecology for merly 2.5k gold.
Concerning our peaceful space race
We lost a single defending infantry in Intombe and our defending battleships killed 2 roman ones. Organizing our military took some time. After heavy artillery use U promote a couple of tanks to elite.
Our available leader will now take seti as we have a decent chance of getting a new one. As I started a settler and prefer a city directly on the oil we
Finally we capture Taejon at the cost of 3 tanks and our continent is ours.
Pollutuion in Canton delays Seti by one turn.
I started a few airports. As soon as our oil is online (next turn after settling on it) we need some jet fighters to shoot down enemy bombers. Usually settling on oil should be avoided, butr in our case the city will not be productive and the extra defense against bombardmend is good. We do need a navy once our research lab production is finished.
Don't forget mm Dalandzadgad back to shields using workers for tile management after it reaches size 19 or 20 depending on the shield output of Ulaanbaatar and Dalandzadgad.
We now have enough elite tanks. Lets hope for some roman invaders and another leader.
Game
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
I should have known that Caesar would not be content with peace in our time.
JMB, before you play, let's get a take on the current situation:
Question for the team:
Should Caesar pay for his atrocity by being wiped from the earth?? I think this is a more difficult (and more time consuming option)
I vote :slay: :rocket: :ripper: :rocket2: 
:die: [plasma] (I still have a chip on my shoulder from RBP10b ).
I would like to hear everyone's voice on this before JMB starts his turns.
JMB, before you play, let's get a take on the current situation:
Question for the team:
Should Caesar pay for his atrocity by being wiped from the earth?? I think this is a more difficult (and more time consuming option)
I vote
:slay: :rocket: :ripper: :rocket2: :die: [plasma] (I still have a chip on my shoulder from RBP10b ).I would like to hear everyone's voice on this before JMB starts his turns.
Urugharakh
Orc Chieftain
I don't see any reason for JMB delaying his turns due to our vote or our general game situation. We MUST keep our research and infrastructure anyway regardless of our decision. He MUST build a navy and some airfore regardless of our decision. We must have transports available in 20-30 turns because we might have to destroy the roman space ship. Without upgrade ability we have to build up our mech infs and modern armors soon anyway. He will not have the option of invading the roman continent in his 10 turn due to the lack of navy, MIs and MAs. The same applies to his successor. Furthermore we will stay at war at least 20 more turns until the nuke danger will become serious. Let Cesar stay in communism, let him hire clowns without our luxes. The only reason for peace would be nuke danger or him having reasonale amount of cash for buying tech from us.
With respect to victory, the space race would be considerable more challenging and the best option for our scenario, where a military victory looked like the only available option. Winning on space without destroying Cesars space ship would be a superb performance. Eliminating him would be easy and not worth a tale. Hence I vote for space victory.
P.S.: I still owe Cesar a free invasion in Epic 36. So I further lack desire crushing him.
With respect to victory, the space race would be considerable more challenging and the best option for our scenario, where a military victory looked like the only available option. Winning on space without destroying Cesars space ship would be a superb performance. Eliminating him would be easy and not worth a tale. Hence I vote for space victory.
P.S.: I still owe Cesar a free invasion in Epic 36. So I further lack desire crushing him.
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
Agree we need the research infrastructure. Still not convinced a "space without destroying Rome's spaceship" is a more challenging and satisfying victory, but I am willing to listen.
Play on JMB. We will prepare to crush when and if necessary.
Play on JMB. We will prepare to crush when and if necessary.
Alright, I see it and will play tonight... Personally, I like the Space option, but that is mostly because I have dealt with a few modern age D-day beachhead invasions and they aren't particularly fun (and are, IMO, very time-consuming)...
JMB
JMB
hotrod0823
Deity
I think we can have the best of both worlds. Take his islands and make a stand on Roman soil all the while building our space ship. If we are at War with Rome he may not even bother with parts. Or at least we can hope.
Early: Everything looks great. 
I can certainly see why we need a navy and an airforce!!! Take out a couple of battleships. Some cities riot; I don't understand why as they had an equal number of happy and sad faces. Rome landed a cav army, two tanks, and a mech inf. I take a chance and use our GL to rush a battleship (hoping to get another GL). Unfortunately we don't get one while taking out the Roman units. Pollution sucks...
Middle: Rome lands a sizeable invasion force (16 units) that we clean up (no GLs... ) without a problem. War weariness is becoming a bit of a problem.
End: Rome lands another 23 units and while killing them, we get another GL -- I think I'll save this one... Since we need to run 40% lux and there is no real point in continuing this war (Rome is already in communism), I decide to end it. I take peace straight up because Caesar can't pay any gpt and we might want to go to war with him before 20 turns elapse. As most of our cities are working all available tiles, I decide not to purchase any luxuries from Rome. I also suggest that we don't sell Caesar any luxes (to keep him hurting...). Rome is up satellites and we are up synth fibers. 6 (or 7 turns) to superconductor.
Here's the save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/BAM2MG1770AD.zip
JMB
I can certainly see why we need a navy and an airforce!!! Take out a couple of battleships. Some cities riot; I don't understand why as they had an equal number of happy and sad faces. Rome landed a cav army, two tanks, and a mech inf. I take a chance and use our GL to rush a battleship (hoping to get another GL). Unfortunately we don't get one while taking out the Roman units. Pollution sucks...Middle: Rome lands a sizeable invasion force (16 units) that we clean up (no GLs...
) without a problem. War weariness is becoming a bit of a problem.End: Rome lands another 23 units and while killing them, we get another GL -- I think I'll save this one...
Since we need to run 40% lux and there is no real point in continuing this war (Rome is already in communism), I decide to end it. I take peace straight up because Caesar can't pay any gpt and we might want to go to war with him before 20 turns elapse. As most of our cities are working all available tiles, I decide not to purchase any luxuries from Rome. I also suggest that we don't sell Caesar any luxes (to keep him hurting...). Rome is up satellites and we are up synth fibers. 6 (or 7 turns) to superconductor.Here's the save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/BAM2MG1770AD.zip
JMB
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend (for those of us in the states).
Because of the switch--6thGenTexan is UP
Roster:
Bam-Bam (ON DECK)
Hotrod
Urugharakh
6thGenTexan (UP)
JMB (just played)
Because of the switch--6thGenTexan is UP
Roster:
Bam-Bam (ON DECK)
Hotrod
Urugharakh
6thGenTexan (UP)
JMB (just played)
Bam-Bam
Hammerhead
If I do not hear from 6thGenTexan before 8pm EST tonight, I will take the game to keep things moving.
Hope all is well with you Texan.
Hope all is well with you Texan.
