Bbc tv casts black people in the role of the bad guys :/

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Bbc's new non-trolling series, Troy, features most of the greek heroes as black (curiously the gods are white, apart from Zeus :) ), against a white trojan cast.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5103758/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Why does the bbc have to blatantly troll by casting black people in roles of aggressors? :shake:
Also, i suppose there is no cultural appropriation, cause they just couldn't find any greek irish or scottish actors to play greeks anyway :D

Achilles:

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Patroklos:

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Zeus:

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I feel sorry for the actors - i don't know them, i was hoping for Idris Elba, but anyway - cause the Bbc is really a trollfest.

-Or, alternatively, do you find this series to be shaping up just great to be high-quality tv?
 
Vincour said:
I don't see the problem.
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Using the public's money to troll, and create a show not aspiring to be something other than trolling, is (to quote 300's scottish Leonidas) "a bit of a problem" ^_^

You can infer how low-quality the show will be by the existence of Zeus there as well, given he played no role in the Iliad in the first place.

It becomes yet funnier if you note that this show was in the making for 2 years. Time really well-spent; i am sure it had nothing to do with thoughts of just binning it :yup:
 
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I don't see any evidence that it's a joke show. What makes you think that way?
 
Zeus? 2-years in production for 8 eps? Told from the trojan point of view but with almost all the greek gods due to no apparent reason?
Not sure what you are basing your antithesis here. Or is it just a "yeah, we can never say for sure until it appears" kind of thing? ^^ Sadly, though, this has all the writings of a bad show. Black people in the roles aren't - obviously :P - what makes it bad; but they are there to divert attention for how garbage the series is.
 
As I recall, the Olympians fought on both sides of the war. Apollo sent plagues to ravage the Greek lines and guided Paris' arrow to Achilles' heel and both Ares and Aphrodite took the field (briefly or otherwise) against the Greeks. What's more, if they're casting the gods in the first place, chance are that the series will start with "for the fairest" and then you can't not have Zeus make an appearance.
 
I think he'd still prefer to be Nelson Mandela.
 
Idris Elba would be very cool - cause he is a good actor :) (anyone who manages to look cool in a movie like Pacific Rim, deserves respect).

Yet he wouldn't be in this show, cause he doesn't want his career to end.
 
I learned at school, from my teacher ancient Greek, that the nobility and the Gods were mainly blond and blue eyed, based on the descriptions of the main characters in the Iliad and Odyssey.

If I would believe the story in the link below, going into DNA findings, other archeological findings and Greek literature, this was not the case:
-Physical anthropology indicates a racial continuity in Greece, with main Dinaric-Alpine-Mediterranean racial elements. Racial type of aristocrats, commoners and criminals is the same.
-Greek literature furnishes evidence of brunet and fair individuals, as today, without ascribing any superiority to either type.
-Greek art shows a predominance of brunet types, with a small minority of fair ones, rarely as fair as northern Europeans and with the same physique as their brunet counterparts.
http://ancientgreekdna.blogspot.nl/

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Hrothbern said:
I learned at school, from my teacher ancient Greek, that the nobility and the Gods were mainly blond and blue eyed, based on the descriptions of the main characters in the Iliad and Odyssey.

If I would believe the story in the link below, going into DNA findings, other archeological findings and Greek literature, this was not the case:
-Physical anthropology indicates a racial continuity in Greece, with main Dinaric-Alpine-Mediterranean racial elements. Racial type of aristocrats, commoners and criminals is the same.
-Greek literature furnishes evidence of brunet and fair individuals, as today, without ascribing any superiority to either type.
-Greek art shows a predominance of brunet types, with a small minority of fair ones, rarely as fair as northern Europeans and with the same physique as their brunet counterparts.
http://ancientgreekdna.blogspot.nl/

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No, they were all black.
I am too, i just wear whiteface, due to social norms. It is very tough, though. Whitearchy sucks.
 
Kyriakos said:
Zeus? 2-years in production for 8 eps? Told from the trojan point of view but with almost all the greek gods due to no apparent reason?
Not sure what you are basing your antithesis here. Or is it just a "yeah, we can never say for sure until it appears" kind of thing? ^^ Sadly, though, this has all the writings of a bad show. Black people in the roles aren't - obviously :p - what makes it bad; but they are there to divert attention for how garbage the series is.
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I was really just trying to get you to admit that it was the black people you didn't like about this. Which, admittedly, you avoided doing in this reply but then did later on.

2 years for a BBC production seems reasonable. Most of that likely went into set construction and character tweaking. I doubt they are creating this for use in Greek History courses in higher-education so it not being entirely realistic/accurate doesn't seem to be a big deal. If you don't like black people being cast as main characters, you shouldn't like the inclusion of any Gods. For realism, of course. Although we might have to scrap the entire thing entirely since most legends of war are simply that, legends.
 
I thought that was clear from the OP, many people dont care for casting across racial lines (except for the laughs, like John Wayne playing a Mongol emperor). I imagine Greeks and Italians might be a bit tired of the British portraying their ancestors too.
 
Vincour said:
I was really just trying to get you to admit that it was the black people you didn't like about this. Which, admittedly, you avoided doing in this reply but then did later on.

2 years for a BBC production seems reasonable. Most of that likely went into set construction and character tweaking. I doubt they are creating this for use in Greek History courses in higher-education so it not being entirely realistic/accurate doesn't seem to be a big deal. If you don't like black people being cast as main characters, you shouldn't like the inclusion of any Gods. For realism, of course. Although we might have to scrap the entire thing entirely since most legends of war are simply that, legends.
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I think you are unwillingly becoming insulting, by projecting things on me ;)

Moreover, there is zero reason to have Achilles or others played by black people. This is a different point from the show being crap without that - my guess is that the show was crap and they went for a ploy, which belittles the actors themselves first and foremostly (as tv viewers will forget the show, but the actors' careers can suffer).
Scottish/irish/whatever used to portray greeks i can see as done trough need, given there aren't that many greek actors in the UK in the first place, but going out of their way to have a strange casting seems to be all about having nothing going for them in the show which they delayed for two years and are now releasing with so many signs of a botched job. Zeus himself, as i noted, being one of them - he really has no reason being in the Troy story given he took no sides and did nothing in the first place :p

Want yet another tell-tale sign of this being a ill-prepared show? Check the page with the casting, no known actors.
Still, at least the trojans weren't black, with the greeks being scottish/english, cause that would be racist against a fallen asian citadel :)
 
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Is there a reason not to have black actors? I'm certain that some black folks starring in a TV series about ancient Greece and Anatolia won't harm your country's ironclad reputation.

I looked at the casting. Most have a depth of experience in film before this series. I doubt the BBC can afford to pay for somebody from Hollywood to star in a one-off TV series, nor do I see that fact as being indicative of the show being automatically bad.
 
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