Beserker Rush

[abuaftab]

Can someone please explain to me how to do a beserker rush. That is, get the beserker at the earliest time on marathon. Include techs, wonders, great people, whatever it takes to have them as early as possible.

Thanks

 

[flamingzaroc121]

well depending on the level, i would do a CS slingshot combined with a machinery slingshot, so first build the Oracle and choose Machinery as your free tech then research CoL, from the oracle you should get a prophet, and by denying masonry you can pop Civil Service. This obviously works best on Phi leaders, and if machenery requires masonry, i'm screwed

 

[ShannonCT]

Another option is to build the Great Wall in your capital ASAP for the Great Engineer and go for the Oracle in your second city to take CS. Use the GE for Machinery.

Start with a worker and tech toward Mining-Bronze Working-Masonry. With the worker and BW completed, start chopping nearby forests (chops before Masonry comes in can go toward a settler). Start the Great Wall as soon as Masonry is finished. Tech toward Mysticism-Polytheism-Preisthood-Writing-Code of Laws. When the Great Wall is finished, build a settler and settle in an area with some forests. Start chopping the Oracle in the second city and time it to finish just after CoL is researched. Take CS. Research Pottery-Metal Casting. With the Great Engineer born in your capital, take Machinery. Now you can build macemen/berserkers/samurai.

Works fastest with Industrial or Philosophical leaders.

 

[Meatbuster]

Unfortunately, with Phi leaders you only get macemen, which all in all isn't too bad. Vikings may need help from a priest specialist to get the GP out faster.

Machinery doesn't require Masonry, you got it right.

 

[Wodan]

No-one asked the question WHY would you want a Berserk rush?

Wodan

 

[cymru_man]

We all know your thoughts on the 'Zerks Wodan, no need to stick your nose where no wants it He didn't ask "is it worth doing a 'Zerk rush" just "how do I do one".

 

[flamingzaroc121]

and berserkers are awesome, you can attack across a river and when they counterattack you are safely behind the river

 

[50_dollar_bag]

Preferably I'd take Samurai, unless on an Islands map. Ragnar would be a little easier to do it with because of being financial thereby researching faster.
But Protective Agressive is my new favourite combo.

 

[abuaftab]

I appreciate the responses. However what has a philosphical leader got to do with Ragnar who is Agg-Fin?

I can't imagine this strategy working very well on a higher difficulty level but I'll give it a shot.

The reason why I wanted a rush, was because if I play my normal method (sux) then I find that the beserkers are not available until after the enemies already have longbow or crossbowmen, so they are far less effective. I wanted to cause havoc earlier. And yes they are nifty when upgraded to grenadiers.

 

[Wodan]

We all know your thoughts on the 'Zerks Wodan, no need to stick your nose where no wants it He didn't ask "is it worth doing a 'Zerk rush" just "how do I do one".

It's a valid question. Frankly I wasn't going to jump on it but try to give an honest answer. As I spent quite a bit of time trying to do exactly this, I'm pretty confident I'd have the answer at my fingertips.

The reason to know why is becuase what usage is desired affects the answer.

Anyway, Abuaftab, I would suggest a CS slingshot using Oracle to get Metal Working and GPs to lightbulb the other hard techs. You'll have to research Machinery the hard way.

Wodan

 

[abuaftab]

Wodan.

I don't really understand how to do a Civil Service Slingshot. I tried not taking masonry and then when the prophet turned up I could nearly get CS, because I used the oracle to get CoL. Not having masonry is laborious because you can't get Great Wall Pyramids or Great Lighthouse without it. I was starting to think about getting machinery first, but then we end up waiting forever for CS again.

I am really at a loss. Since I am a bit of a fool, I really need a 100% watertight foolproof strategy that is always easy and will permanently give me beserkers fast.

 

[clinton]

Since I am a bit of a fool, I really need a 100% watertight foolproof strategy that is always easy and will permanently give me beserkers fast.

Hi Friend.

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Just send me your bank account details for "authentication purposes" and those beserkers will be right on their way.

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Mr Con Scammer

 

[abuaftab]

Thats ok Clinton, I actually don't have a bank account because I'm only 6.

 

[weasel77066]

Thats ok Clinton, I actually don't have a bank account because I'm only 6.

Does your mother know you are on here?


Oh ya- incidentally, the vikings rock the house.......

 

[Bjorn190]

Ok 1st of all, dont do a berserker rush.

But if u do want to do it, this is needed:

1. Dont get masonry. I know u want to, but u cant get it if u want berserkers, ok? Unless u go for great wall and use the engineer for machinery.

2. Do the oracle to get code of laws, use the GP for civil service.

3. Research to machinery using cottages around your capitol. cottage all the grasslands, asap. Also cottage all the river plains, and all the plains. No farms at all, except on food resources.

4. Watch your berserk rush die against the crossbows

macemen are an inferior unit, unless accompanied by knights or other crowwbowresistant guards

 

[Bjorn190]

IT would be far better to do a crowwbow rush with the chinese guy.

Make great wall, then oracle, use the oracle toget metal working, the ge rfom the wall to get machinery. Boom, instant crowwbow with no weaknesses, collateral damage, and start with drill 1

 

[shivute]

No-one asked the question WHY would you want a Berserk rush?

Wodan

Exactly. Why would anyone want to do a beserker rush? Ok the graphic is cool but they aren't exactly much more use than macemen. They are a poor UU and the Vikings have a poor UB as well. Trait combo is good though.

 

[drkodos]

Exactly. Why would anyone want to do a beserker rush? Ok the graphic is cool but they aren't exactly much more use than macemen. They are a poor UU and the Vikings have a poor UB as well. Trait combo is good though.

A Maceman (men?) rush can be highly effective. Why would it be less so by using Beserkers? Even IF the Beserkers were exactly the same as a maceman, a Beserker rush is still an effective and winning tactic when pulled off correctly.

Taking the Maceman and adding two promotions (Amphibious and City Raider) makes it stronger, not weaker.

Stating that the Viking UU is not your forte is one thing. Making the claim it is a poor UU is being supercillious. The triat combo is meat & potatoes. Nothing sublime, just straightforwardness. But the UU and UB are better than average compared to the rest of the lot.

IT would be far better to do a crowwbow rush with the chinese guy.

Not if you are already playing as the Vikes.

 

[Wodan]

Exactly. Why would anyone want to do a beserker rush? Ok the graphic is cool but they aren't exactly much more use than macemen. They are a poor UU and the Vikings have a poor UB as well.

That's farther than I go. The Berserks are very good units. Certainly they're no worse than Maces, as drkodos says. In fact, they're a bit better than Maces when used properly with cat/trebuchet support (as you would give any good Mace rush).

I just think that trying to do a Berserk rush with some grand master strategy to use amphibious is going to be seriously underwhelming.

Wodan

 

[petey]

The Vikings are best for their fast ships. If you have either Theocracy or Vassalage running, you get Nav II right off the bat and can just run across the water like nobody's business. This does, of course, necessiate that running across the water is useful. If your Galleys can't get at an opponent, then there's not much use for the Berserkers' upgrade, since they're obsolete by the time you can attack anyone.