Best Leader for OCC?

[Itachi]

Ive decided to finally try the OCC. I need some advice on the best leader for a OCC in BTS.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

IMO the twelve best leaders

Peaceful
1. Gandhi
2. Ramesses
3. Peter (great UB for OCC)
4. Lincoln
5. Bismarck
6. Pericles

Runner ups: Elizabeth, Sitting Bull

War
1. Lincoln
2. Augustus Caesar (the praets help a lot) (great UB)
3. Alexander
4. Suleiman
5. De Gaulle
6. Cyrus

Runner ups: Justinian I, Genghis Khan, Stalin

I reccomend you go for a peaceful win (Space Race).

In which case, try Gandhi, Ramesses or Peter.

Make sure you grab the Pyramids and Representation!

For a more detailed guide.

 

[CCRunner]

My favorites are Lincoln and Ramesses.

 

[pangu]

Bismarck and Peter imo

 

[oyzar]

In vanilla and warlords it is peter followed by bismark... In bts they are probably beaten by ghandi and ramsess... Augustus is ok if you are going for conquest though thats only really doable at the lower levels...

@NintendoTogepi there is no way pericles should be that high... Organized is completly useless and something like pacal is strictly better...

 

[Gwynnja]

Gandhi has the best traits. Spiritual comes in handy if you get attacked so you can whip or draft units fast and it's nice to switch between OR, Theocracy, and Pacifism. Obviously, you're going to want to stay in Representation and Bureaucracy, but those two are the only civics that are really set in stone. It's nice to slave out some buildings and then switch out to avoid revolts. Many of the other leader's UUs require iron, horses, or oil, none of which are guaranteed. If you don't mind the added confusion of unrestricted leaders, Gandhi of Rome is sweet, I forget how long praets are useful, and a philosophical leader with a forum and parthenon is really not very fair. Add food and caste and watch the research skyrocket.

 

[Clam Spammer]

@NT - I find it interesting that the OP asks for the best leader and you go ahead and name 14

Philo is incredible with Mids and a couple of other early wonders. The first few GPs come out in no time and really kickstart your production and research. I'd agree with NT's first pick - Gandhi for a peacemonger OCC.

For Vanilla/Warlords - Peter for sure.

 

[harusame]

OCC = diplomatic/religious victory

so best trait would be spiritual

imo, gandhi is the best
he starts with mysticism

early religion + apostolic palace = win

as well Industrious trait will support building wonders

 

[JujuLautre]

OCC = diplomatic/religious victory

What about space race ? I'm still struggling to achieve it at emperor, but it should be doable

 

[Diamondeye]

Gandhi or Lincoln, I'd say.

 

[Mukuu]

Ghandi if your going for Diplo, but definitely Peter if you want space race.

Philosophical + Pyramids + Hanging Gardens = Beautiful (Even though I seem to have a lot of trouble getting the Gardens before AI)

@Juju - Yea, I havent been able to do it right on Emperor either. I actually keep getting beat by a cultural victory.

 

[MyOtherName]

What timeline are you looking at for a spaceship at emperor? I usually aim for 1950, and I don't think I've ever seen an AI get a cultural victory before then. Am I just lucky? (Or maybe better at stirring up conflict?)

 

[JujuLautre]

I vote for the "better at stirring conflict"

Diplomacy is definitely something I have to work on; I got only one space win at emperor, being lucky with diplo; sensed troubles at the beginning with Shaka, Monty and Gengis around, but in fact I never had an easier emperor OCC

Shaka is my nemesis in OCC, especially when he's my neighbour; he's hard to please, and does not have the religious fanatism of others, so he'll likely pick me as ennemy :\

I also have to learn to trade more in the second part of the game. Beating a cultural can be done by accelerating the tech pace imho.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

I vote for the "better at stirring conflict"

Diplomacy is definitely something I have to work on; I got only one space win at emperor, being lucky with diplo; sensed troubles at the beginning with Shaka, Monty and Gengis around, but in fact I never had an easier emperor OCC

Shaka is my nemesis in OCC, especially when he's my neighbour; he's hard to please, and does not have the religious fanatism of others, so he'll likely pick me as ennemy :\

I also have to learn to trade more in the second part of the game. Beating a cultural can be done by accelerating the tech pace imho.

I purposely played a Pangea OCC with Shaka, Monty, Genghis, Tokugawa, Alexander and Ragnar (I was Augustus Caesar of Rome)

How'd it turn out? Well, Toku's empire was a big ring around mine and he got like four of his cities razed by my culture.

I eventually ended up at war with Alexander (Biggest civ), Ragnar (Second biggest), Toku (Alexander's vassal) and Shaka (Ragnar's vassal).

Since I had GE rushed the Statue of Zeus and got the Great Wall, and was Imperialistic, I just let them keep coming. It was pretty funny. In the last 40 or so turns I was at war with every Civ in the game they were all suffering from horrific WW as well.

 

[Itachi]

Fist off I want to thank you guys for all your help. Following your advice I started an OCC as Gandhi of India. For most of the game its been pritty smooth sailing. I was able to build most of the important wonders (Pyramids, the Great Library..) keep a significant tech lead, and keep the bigger civs fighting each other… until now. Augustus, my large and powerful neighbor to the west appears to be gearing up to DoW me. For most of the game he has been way behind in tech, but he has somehow leapfrogged ahead. He upgraded his army from riflemen and geranders to infantry and tanks in a very short period of time. Now he has a SoD sitting on my border and “enough on his hands right now.”

Normally this wouldn’t be so bad, however Charlemagne (the game leader) has just finished the Apollo Program. I can’t keep up in the space race and fight Augustus at the same time.

Here are some screen shots of the situation.

1. The border between me and Augustus

2. Augustus’ SoD

3. My forces

Any advice?

 

[NintendoTogepi]

Fist off I want to thank you guys for all your help. Following your advice I started an OCC as Gandhi of India. For most of the game its been pritty smooth sailing. I was able to build most of the important wonders (Pyramids, the Great Library..) keep a significant tech lead, and keep the bigger civs fighting each other… until now. Augustus, my large and powerful neighbor to the west appears to be gearing up to DoW me. For most of the game he has been way behind in tech, but he has somehow leapfrogged ahead. He upgraded his army from riflemen and geranders to infantry and tanks in a very short period of time. Now he has a SoD sitting on my border and “enough on his hands right now.”

Normally this wouldn’t be so bad, however Charlemagne (the game leader) has just finished the Apollo Program. I can’t keep up in the space race and fight Augustus at the same time.

Here are some screen shots of the situation.

1. The border between me and Augustus

2. Augustus’ SoD

3. My forces

Any advice?

Upgrade your units all to tanks! You have more than enough money. Then you should be able to hold off Augustus.

 

[josephstalin]

Sometimes AI would build up a huge stack in border cities to prevent it flipping (around 10-20%). Check that.
On the first question, I would try either Peter or Bismark of Rome.

 

[harusame]

What about space race ? I'm still struggling to achieve it at emperor, but it should be doable

uh i hate space race, especially in OCC
it is so hard to achieve

you will need aluminium, so you have to be very lucky or you will have to use corporation later ( but i hate corporation also)

space race is also pretty much impossible without diplomacy
you will need later to bribe AI to war against each other, so you can delay their SS components (because you have only 1 city to build SS)


i mean, if you need diplomacy anyway, it is pretty much easier to go for UN victory.......

 

[MyOtherName]

uh i hate space race, especially in OCC
it is so hard to achieve

It seemed rather straightforward to me -- it just shows that people have different comfort zones.

you will need aluminium, so you have to be very lucky or you will have to use corporation later ( but i hate corporation also)

Aluminum is nice, but it is far from a requirement; you have a lot of room to adjust the balance between production and research. e.g. you can switch from scientists to engineers... or even rip up your forest preserves to make room for state property/caste system powered workshops.

space race is also pretty much impossible without diplomacy
you will need later to bribe AI to war against each other, so you can delay their SS components (because you have only 1 city to build SS)

I've never had an AI put up a serious fight for the spaceship on monarch or emperor; my OCC style naturally finishes a spaceship around 1950.

i mean, if you need diplomacy anyway, it is pretty much easier to go for UN victory.......

It's very easy to keep on the AI's good side -- all you really need to do is to get your neighbors to like you and avoid being the hated enemy of anyone who can actually get units to your doorstep. It's a much, much harder task (for me, anyways) to arrange to be the absolute best buddy of AI's #2, #3, and #4 so that they can vote you in.

 

[VoiceOfUnreason]

I've never had an AI put up a serious fight for the spaceship on monarch or emperor; my OCC style naturally finishes a spaceship around 1950.

What dates are typical for your timeline? by which I mean, when do your significant milestones come in?