Best Tyrant in history

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I apologize, but this forum is fifth in a week that I saw "worst tyrant/dictator" thread in. And please this is not provocation to enrage, but a provocation to think.
Anyway, it is my belief that among the best tyrants was Pisistratus of Athens.
 
Well, don't use the ancient Greek tyrants as they were just illegitimate kings and many were known as very skilled and enlightened rulers. Use the modern definition. That said, I can't think of any which are/were good for the time being.
 
And how do you define tyrant/dictator other than "illegitimate ruler"?

Anyway I have serious gasps in modern history so... I heard that Saddam Hussein prior to Iran-Iraq war was thought to be good dictator. But more solid case can be Augusto Pinochet who has many supporters even today after his death. (btw I know these guys are nasty, but they are not really nastier than your average mediaeval monarch).
 
President Niyazov of Turkmenistan :D

Niyazov is an authoritarian leader and is known for his massive cult of personality. Believing Turkmenistan to be a nation devoid of a national identity, he has attempted to rebuild the country in his own image. He renamed the town of Krasnovodsk, on the Caspian Sea, Turkmenbashi after himself, in addition to renaming several schools, airports and even a meteorite after himself and his immediate family. Large portraits of the President hang all over the country, especially on major public buildings and avenues, and statues of himself and his mother are scattered all over Turkmenistan. The statues include one in the middle of the Kara Kum desert, and a gold-plated statue atop Ashgabat's largest building, the Neutrality Arch, that rotates to face the sun. Niyazov has commissioned a massive palace in Ashgabat commemorating his rule.

Niyazov is often noted for what are widely perceived as eccentric policies. For example, in August 2004, he ordered that a giant ice palace be constructed in the middle of the desert country, although many observers have said that without some form of technical assistance it will be an impossible dream. He also announced two decrees, the first of which stated that television presenters were banned from wearing make-up as the President had difficulty telling male and female newsreaders apart. The second declared that the chewing of tobacco on Turkmen territory was to be outlawed.

The education system indoctrinates young Turkmen to love Niyazov, with his works and speeches making up most of their textbooks' content. The primary text is a national epic written by Niyazov, the Ruhnama, which serves as the "spiritual guidance of the nation" and the basis of the nation's arts and literature. Niyazov's other efforts to transform Turkmen culture include renaming the days and months after national heroes and symbols, defining the stages of life, and introducing a new Turkmen alphabet based on the Latin alphabet to replace Cyrillic. He has also banned long hair, beards, and gold teeth.
 
Uh, though not a tyrant but a dictator, I will say Mikhail Sergeyevitch Gorbachev.
 
Actually, I would say Napoleon. The Napoleonic Code is
still IIRC the basis of French law, he was an absolute angel
of mercy compared to the Terror, and (again IIRC) he implemented a lot of internal reforms that are still in place today.
Steph, feel free to correct me.
 
Gladi said:
And how do you define tyrant/dictator other than "illegitimate ruler"?

Ancient meanings of the words...
Dictator: Someone vested in ultimate power in times of need, most notably during the early Roman Republic (where once a large foreign army invaded, supreme power was given to a skilled general to fight them off. Once the enemy was defeated, the powers were stripped)

Tyrant: Someone who was a monarch, but not of lineage from the ancient heros and gods. ie; a commoner who became a king.

Modern meanings of the words...
Dictator: Someone who rules without being elected and depending on where you live, this includes or excludes monarchs (for example, a lot of Americans consider the monarchies of Europe to be dictatorships, whereas in these countries, they don't)

Tyrant: Someone who rules with an iron fist and bans various freedoms.
 
obviouslly, the 4 AThenian tyrants whom led to that Greek cities democracy are the best tyrants- thie ris no better gift a tryant can give then freedom to his subjects
 
Caesar, though he's tenichally not a tyrant. He still did a lot for the people and had grand projects for the state that would ultimatly benefit from it. :)
 
For modern times. That dude that build up South-Korea, wasn't he good?

He led South-Korea into modern times building up a high tech economy and all that in a dictator kind of fashion but it did work.

Excuse me if he also did some really nasty stuff, I don't know really much about him.
 
Stalin saved his country from the Nazis, that's gotta be good. How he accomplished this, and many other of his "great achievements" is another point ;)
 
Isn't Louis XIV (he's the one they call the "Sun King", right?) occasionally cited as the ideal 'enlightened despot'? Is there any credance to that?
 
Tbh Louis XIV wouldn't be considered an enghlitened despot. Englightened Despotism is generally associated with mid 18th century rulers who had absolute power, but some sympathy for enlgihtenement ideas, (Which Louis XIV mostly pre-dates.) and introduced these in some limited form. (Frederick the Great, Catherine the Great, Joseph II, etc.)

Depends on how you define it, though.
 
blindside said:
The ruler of Singapore.
I knew someone would say this... :crazyeye:

Lee Kuan Yew, founder/leader of modern Singapore. He made the one-party state respectable, and turned a backwater port-city into a first-rate industrial and economic powerhouse.
 
Not to mention, create citizens which, for some reason, rankle the people of a country north of them.. :p
 
BananaLee said:
Not to mention, create citizens which, for some reason, rankle the people of a country north of them.. :p
I think it's the inevitable fate of successful city states. Hongkong people suffer the same perception by the locals here too. :p

The fact that a lot of them keep mistresses here isn't helping their image either. :D
 
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