Bill O'Reilly, Rev Wright = David Duke

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Last night Bill compared the two and asked "whats the difference"? Lets see, one is angry about past racism and the other was a racist and leader of an organization called the KKK intent on terrorizing black folk - like the Rev Wright.

Tomorrow, Bill compares angry holocaust survivors to their Nazi tormentors... Stay tuned! ;)

Seriously, if the victim of rape lets go with a hateful and perhaps somewhat irrational rant against rapists, would Bill be comparing rapists to their victims? :crazyeye:

This is actually rather funny, usually the Dems are attacked for being too anti or un-religious, now its because this guy sounds like some prophet out of the Old Testament.
 
Rev Wright = David Duke
I see only slight differences, myself. And I'd say Duke and Farrakhan are equally hateful. (Farrakhan is just more hilarious with his talk about UFOs)
 
But Wright was never a slave, and nobody alive today was involved in slavery. So to perpetuate it the way he does in his sermons is wrong no matter how you look at it.

The guy thinks the government may have created AIDS for minorities! He's a racist. He tries to back it up with quotes from the bible, but anyone with half a brain sees right through that charade. He blames the US for 9/11, says the government may have created AIDS for minorities, thanks a radical Iranian anti-American Imam, makes fun of some past politicians' accents as if accents were being referred to back when someone (I don't remember who) said blacks don't speak English properly...not word choice and grammar, but accents, then said he's angry at the people who put him in shackles. Umm, reality check: You were never in shackles pastor Wright.

What he preaches is exactly the problems people like Juan Williams speak out against. This whole perpetuation of a victim mentality only harms; it never does good.
 
Both are racists.
 
He's a racist? Oh my God, someone tell all them white folk who attend his church. Did David Duke invite blacks to their gatherings? Whether or not both are racists is another matter, one terrorized black people and the other is old enough to have lived thru some of that terrorism. To compare the two because the victim of racism is angry about it is :lol:

El
I see only slight differences, myself.

Then open yer eyes...

And I'd say Duke and Farrakhan are equally hateful.

Duke's hate led him to terrorize black people. That hatred produces a hateful reaction from the victims and you're conflating the reaction with the provocation. Many Jews are rightly pissed off about the holocaust, and many blacks are rightly pissed off about slavery and racism. But you wouldn't compare those Jews with their tormentors because they hate(d) each other.

HC
But Wright was never a slave, and nobody alive today was involved in slavery. So to perpetuate it the way he does in his sermons is wrong no matter how you look at it.

He was alive during Jim Crow... He belonged to the civil rights generation that saw dogs and water cannons and white hoods and corrupt cops all protected or ignored by various authorities sworn to protect the victims.

The guy thinks the government may have created AIDS for minorities!

And?

He's a racist.

Quite a conclusion, based on what? Did you know our gov't gave syphilis to black men on purpose? He's old enough to know about that... A racist prejudges, we dont have to prejudge to conclude government has a racist history, so I wouldn't call it racism if a black man is a bit gullible and suspicious of government.

He tries to back it up with quotes from the bible, but anyone with half a brain sees right through that charade. He blames the US for 9/11, says the government may have created AIDS for minorities, thanks a radical Iranian anti-American Imam, makes fun of some past politicians' accents as if accents were being referred to back when someone (I don't remember who) said blacks don't speak English properly...not word choice and grammar, but accents, then said he's angry at the people who put him in shackles. Umm, reality check: You were never in shackles pastor Wright.

First, he said 9/11 was a result of our foreign policies...and Wright is right. He said we've used terrorism on other peoples, and Wright is right. The Contras are just one example... And if making fun of how people talk while trying to make a point is racism, start forming a line and ask Limbaugh and Olbermann to lead the way.

What he preaches is exactly the problems people like Juan Williams speak out against. This whole perpetuation of a victim mentality only harms; it never does good.

Of course, thats what Obama said. Wright is from an older generation that saw the evil and has trouble looking toward the future. But thats what many preachers do, identify sin. I dont hang McCain with the views of his preacher or the preachers he seeks out for endorsements. The fact he's been endorsed by people who believe 9/11 and Katrina were God's punishment for abortion and gays is amusing but irrelevant.

I dont know if Wright is a racist, I do know it is insulting and absurd to compare the angry victims of racism to the racist perpetrators of terrorism. :rolleyes:
 
El

Then open yer eyes...
Compelling argument. :mischief: I'd counter by saying that I don't think my eyes are closed. I judge everyone by the same scale - here, both whites and blacks, members of the far right and the far left. And in this case, both Duke and Wright are racist, inflammatory and obnoxious.

And that's a massively ******** conspiracy theory. It's on par with believing that Hitler flew off in a sooper sekrit Nazi rocket ship to live on the moon.

Duke's hate led him to terrorize black people. That hatred produces a hateful reaction from the victims and you're conflating the reaction with the provocation. Many Jews are rightly pissed off about the holocaust, and many blacks are rightly pissed off about slavery and racism. But you wouldn't compare those Jews with their tormentors because they hate(d) each other.
I'm not aware of any terrorist activities that David Duke has personally perpetrated - he was a member of the Klan, though, so I'll assume that he at least allowed and approved of illegal attacks.

It's funny, because I brought up the Holocaust not two hours ago, discussing this with someone else online. The person I was talking with (Bill3000) was trying to get me to understand the justifiable anger that many blacks felt, and still feel regarding Jim Crow and other racist things that have existed in American society. And I responded with that same comparison - only I said that while I might understand a Holocaust survivor calling for the destruction of Germany, I'd still condemn his remarks as wrong and bigoted.

Wright is a racist. He's a fan of Dr. James Cone - in fact, just yesterday he stated that "I do not in any way disagree with Dr. Cone, nor do I in any way diminish the inimitable and incomparable contributions that he has made and that he continues to make to the field of theology. Jim, incidentally, is a personal friend of mine."

If you don't know who Dr. Cone is, allow me to quote him: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer and we better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Cone is a racist. Rev. Wright is a personal friend and theological admirer of Dr. Cone, and it's absurd to say that he would publicly state that he was inspired by, and in no way disagreed with a man if he didn't know what he believed. This is just another example of Wright's racism.

But I don't expect you to care about any of this. Because really: you're a leftist who happens to loathe America and love Barack Obama. So why should you listen to something that you don't want to hear? That'd be, well....open minded.
 
"I don’t want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there’s evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels."

- Bill O'Reilly
 
The crap Wright said about "learning styles" seemed very "separate but equal," though. It will be very sad if an Afro-centrist preacher prevents the first viable black candidate from winning.

I also wonder why Obama stuck with this guy. There were political reasons to stay with the church but he could have easily left after he became a Senator. I don't think using a populist argument like, "the congregation is more important than the preacher" will work.
 
I'm not aware of any terrorist activities that David Duke has personally perpetrated - he was a member of the Klan, though, so I'll assume that he at least allowed and approved of illegal attacks..

Duke was a *Grand Wizard* of the KKK, so its safe to say he partook of illegal acts.
 
Duke was a *Grand Wizard* of the KKK, so its safe to say he partook of illegal acts.

We need Robert Byrd to endorse Obama right about now. And Oprah needs to talk about her and Obama's church.
 
ZOMG OREILLY SAID LYNCH, HES A RASISST :rolleyes:

Don't pull the victim of political correctness card. It isn't applicable now.

He suggested a lynching party for Christ's sake. What do you think "lynching party" means?
 
Compelling argument. :mischief: I'd counter by saying that I don't think my eyes are closed. I judge everyone by the same scale - here, both whites and blacks, members of the far right and the far left. And in this case, both Duke and Wright are racist, inflammatory and obnoxious.

It dont matter if they are racist, one terrorized black people and you (and O'Reilly) are equating that with the victim's hatred of the terrorists.

And that's a massively ******** conspiracy theory. It's on par with believing that Hitler flew off in a sooper sekrit Nazi rocket ship to live on the moon.

But it aint racist. And I'm still waiting for this proof of racism. And yer hyperbole aint even close to reality, it aint that bizarre for a black man acquainted with the syphilis episode in our history to suspect the government had something to do with AIDS.

I'm not aware of any terrorist activities that David Duke has personally perpetrated - he was a member of the Klan, though, so I'll assume that he at least allowed and approved of illegal attacks.

Somebody got that already

It's funny, because I brought up the Holocaust not two hours ago, discussing this with someone else online. The person I was talking with (Bill3000) was trying to get me to understand the justifiable anger that many blacks felt, and still feel regarding Jim Crow and other racist things that have existed in American society. And I responded with that same comparison - only I said that while I might understand a Holocaust survivor calling for the destruction of Germany, I'd still condemn his remarks as wrong and bigoted.

Huh? We're talking about comparing Wright with Duke and in my analogy Duke is the Nazi and Wright is the holocaust survivor. You didn't respond to my point...

Wright is a racist. He's a fan of Dr. James Cone - in fact, just yesterday he stated that "I do not in any way disagree with Dr. Cone, nor do I in any way diminish the inimitable and incomparable contributions that he has made and that he continues to make to the field of theology. Jim, incidentally, is a personal friend of mine."

If you don't know who Dr. Cone is, allow me to quote him: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer and we better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Sounds downright Old Testament. But yeah, dont play guilt by association games with me. Quote Wright saying he wants white people to be killed. You're still conflating the hateful reactions of victims to the terrorism that inspired the hateful reactions. If my people were murdered by an army of black people, enslaved for centuries, etc, my opinion of black people would not be favorable. But you'd compare me with the black people enslaving my
people. :goodjob:

Cone is a racist. Rev. Wright is a personal friend and theological admirer of Dr. Cone, and it's absurd to say that he would publicly state that he was inspired by, and in no way disagreed with a man if he didn't know what he believed. This is just another example of Wright's racism.

No it isn't, it might be (assuming it aint a hatchet job) an example of Cone's racism but its nothing more than guilt by association. Quote Wright, not some other guy.

But I don't expect you to care about any of this. Because really: you're a leftist who happens to loathe America and love Barack Obama. So why should you listen to something that you don't want to hear? That'd be, well....open minded.

That brings up another question I have, why do so many Republicans sound like fascists when you dont agree with them? Even O'Reilly accused Wright of "hating America". Did Old Testament politicians accuse the Prophets of "hating Israel" whenever they ranted on about the corruption and sin in government?

As a reminder, this thread is not about Wright being a racist. Its about comparing him to David Duke. If he is a racist, I dont see it in Obama. As for being a leftist, I'll be voting for Bob Barr. As for loathing America, those are your words (and the internet precludes me from shoving them down yer throat), I'm not enamored by Commies, Socialists, Democrats, Republicans, Fascists, or whoever subverts our Constitution. So you got that wrong too, yer batting far below the Mendoza Line...
 
He's a racist? Oh my God, someone tell all them white folk who attend his church.

Uh...it is referred to it, even by Wright, as the 'black church'. Their own website says "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian..."

Just so you know...

And you may as well stop trying to defend the undefensible. The things Wright have said are simply disgusting and he is unapolegetic about it.
 
Uh...it is referred to it, even by Wright, as the 'black church'. Their own website says "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian..."

Just so you know...

I know white people attend. David Duke didn't invite blacks to his KKK meetings.

And you may as well stop trying to defend the undefensible. The things Wright have said are simply disgusting and he is unapolegetic about it.

I've defended some of the guy's statements and I dont see you doin anything about it. If its so indefensible then certainly you can knock down my arguments without much effort. He's right about our foreign policy and use of terrorism coming back to haunt us. What I find disgusting are politicians who tell us we're being attacked because we are free, or preachers blaming 9/11 on abortion or gays. C'mon, you wanna talk about religious nuts?
 
Conservatives constantly complain about liberals' "white guilt," but maybe they should look in a mirror. Wright accuses the government of all this crazy stuff, and everything's met with the response, "Oh my God! He's a racist! He accuses white people of all this stuff!" "White people?" Really? I thought he was talking about the government. Which, you know, isn't exactly "white people." Why do you think he'd be talking about "white people?" Face it: we liberals aren't the ones running around afraid of a race war every time some black person gets angry.

Cleo
 
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