Blid-01- A ring to rule them all

[SpriteSODA]

You can beeline to nukes and nuke her=P it will only destroy the world you know=]

 

[blid]

Turn 0 :
Culture slider at 40%. Income is almost always better when you decrease the culture slider. The happiness from 10% culture is not enough to make for 10% income. IMO, the point with culture is to avoid starvation. This hurts production but we need money

I also switch to assmebly line by popular demand

Those are primary pillaging targets :

In the north :

In the south :

I will let Bengal alone. Mansa may settle there before Asoka. The zone is already well pillaged. I keep a cannon to bombard, and press Asoka. Direct forces to Chittagong

@Frankcor : FYI, you are supposed to move the units on your last turn. Lot of units were unmoved so I could start pillaging towns on turn 0

Turn 1 :
Start some machine guns.
Asoka marine is pillaging the farm and leaving towns all around him . Will he pillage the road next turn ?

Orleans start courthouse.

I start bombing chittagong and moving troops. Asoka built a cavalry in Bengal. Damn him

IBT : the cav kills a cannon. My fault, no rifle was acompanying him. The cav can't get home so he retreats in a forest hill. Asoka needs to read the manual, cav don't receive defensive bonuses
And the marine does pillage the road he he he

Turn 2 :

Start again some machine guns. And a uni in Ningh-Hsia

Kill the chicken cav. Take down chittatong (piccy didn't work) with a loss of 2 cannons. The second one had >60% odds. Too bad.

Euhhh, and a lot of pillaging

Asoka still refuses to give a tech. Damn him, do I have to go for Delhi to get something ?

IBT : Indian Marine kills infantry cross river


Turn 3
Marseilles start lib. It has a very good income so shall make more
Lahore start lib. No need to tell this city is a cottage spam fest. I never checked this but do libs disappear when you take a city ? cuz it's a cultural building ? Otherwise, I would tell that Asoka was in again not building a lib here

Kill the marine of course. It is 1 to 1 at the moment with this bastard

Hatty has flight. Ehmmm

IBT : Asoka makes a multiple attack. He manages to kill a number of units.

Turn 4 : now I am tempted to declare peace but Asoka still don't want to give much stuff. Damn him
I will take another turn and see how things are going

IBT :
Asoka has an artillery and 2 SAM Infantry trying to get back Bangalore.

Hatty builds appolo program and Asoka finishes SS casing while loosing a war and having three cities

Turn 5 :
Move again to pillage. Set defenses at Bangalore

IBT : Asoka artillery is bombarding Bangalore by a 10% amount each turn. SAM infantry won't attack.

Turn 6 : I do a final round of pillaging and here's the result north :

I have a cav at Delhi door but Asoka won't panick and he's still offering no techs. I resign and sign peace for 360 gold and 2 gpt. Asoka won't even accept to adopt slavery

I queue some units by ordering libs. All libs are taking less than 10 turns so no decaying will occur.


Turn 7 :
continue pillaging in non indian borders
Sparta is back to a formidable units churning rythm
I revolt to free speech. This, I should have done before declaring peace liks sooooo pointed out

Turn 8,10 :
nothing special. Consolidating turns. A mix of infra and units.
A great merchant or artist is due next turn. Assembly line in 3 turns

Pillaging results south :

If we have to bribe Mansa, we must do it after starting the war with Hatty.
But I still think it is too premature to declare now. Hatty will crush us if we attack. Getting artillery takes about 25 turns. Industrialism takes longer and Hatty can have mech inf before we do get tanks

Let's get some builder turns and improve research. We need more unis and Oxford. Once Ning-Hsia uni is finished, you can whip 2 more unis to start Oxford in capital. Must think of ordering Wall street somewhere too. Bangalore is a nice spot but Hatty will surely destroy all the towns there. Orleans or Macchu Picchu seem fine for this one

Egyptian Karakorum has a huge SOD. If Tours can get an adjacent tile to make a surprise attack, it would be great. Maybe consider hiring artists there ?

Nanni may fall to Paris and we will be forced to raze it. I hope this won't annoy MM to make him attack

Fellowship :

blid -- just played
Kikinit -- UP
Asperge -- On deck
soooo
frankcor

1890 AD save

 

[sooooo]

Cool. Looks like Asoka is out of the space race, good job. I thought 60% culture was a bit crazy when the cities weren't starving at 10% in my turns.

Can't look at the save but:

We can go back to free religion for the extra culture and research. No point in being in buddhism now only Asoka has that religion.

I'm not sure we should wait too long before declaring on Hatty. By the time we get artillery she will be much more powerful. I don't think we should wait that long. Hatty never stops building military. Now she has flight (and rocketry?) she might "upgrade" some of her infantry to SAM infantry, which is actually good for us. Does she have artillery? If not we should definitely declare before she gets that. In my turns she was running around with grenadiers and cavalry still, she didn't look as advanced as Asoka was with his marines. Maybe spend 10-15 turns on infra/unit builds/drafting. Then declare on Hatty and sit back for the onslaught. Or, as Blid says, if we can get a square adjacent to Karakorum we can cannon-blitz half of her army out of the equation.

I was thinking that Mansa might not be that bad to tackle. I think you can do anything with tanks and airports. With airports you can use the same 20 defenders for every city you have. The AI doesn't seem to do this so the difference in power ratings doesn't mean that much.

 

[Kikinit]

How'd it get back to me so fast? I though I just played this one... So these turns should be building towards attacking hatty and some recon of her territories. I'll see what I can do.

EDIT: I won't be able to get it for about 36 hours so if Asperge want's to swap with me then that's fine with me. I'll post a got it when I am avaible to take it (tomorrow).

 

[frankcor]

Cool. Looks like Asoka is out of the space race, good job. I thought 60% culture was a bit crazy when the cities weren't starving at 10% in my turns.

I cranked culture to 60% to preserve production capacities. All those canons would not have been produced by unhappy faces.

 

[angeleyes]

Or, as Blid says, if we can get a square adjacent to Karakorum we can cannon-blitz half of her army out of the equation.

We lost that square with the pigs (Edit:sheeps) a long time ago, but iirc we get very soon a great merchant or a great artist, last one could be used to do the job. Trying to get it back with artist takes to long, or probably impossible.

Kikinit, take your time.

(There's also a clam spot needing a fishing boat.)

 

[blid]

@Asperge : you are right about the artist. Just don't use him before we are ready to attack. I am afraid the city will flip before we have the chance to attack and kill the stacked army.

However, sooooo, it is far from being half of Hatty army. She has about the same stack in capital and very decent stacks in many other cities. I did some intelligence during my turns. Hatty built some artillery already. She has a fighter in nearly every city and started churning helicopters. She didn't upgrade everything of course. Hatty has finished appolo during my turnset. Maybe that will slow her military production a bit

 

[angeleyes]

@Asperge : you are right about the artist. Just don't use him before we are ready to attack. I am afraid the city will flip before we have the chance to attack and kill the stacked army.

Don't overrate the power of the artist, especially in this stadium of the game, and a city needs two revolts to change from owner.

for the lurkers a glimp of Hatsheputs army:

 

[sooooo]

Riiiiight. Oh dear. Sorry, I thought she still had cavs and grens. I have no idea what to do now. I guess it will be possible to form the ring via a naval invasion, but after that we're screwed.

 

[frankcor]

GULP!

Well, I take some encouragement in knowing that we could kick the butt of that Rifleman (located just above the ... in the list of Hatty's garrison) three ways to Sunday.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

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You're boned. (Sorry, this really is a great game. You guys are doing fantastic against impossible odds. I've been thinking about an SG where we pick one of the AIs and make sure HE wins. Now I know how to do it.)

 

[armstrong]

Riiiiight. Oh dear. Sorry, I thought she still had cavs and grens. I have no idea what to do now. I guess it will be possible to form the ring via a naval invasion, but after that we're screwed.

Have you all thought about a diplomatic win?

Right now, you're 33 turns away from Mass Media (which will speed up with Uni's & Oxford.) Hatty doesn't like Mansa very much at all, and not nearly as much as you if you stay in HR. She's not friendly to you right now, though, but a defensive pact would probably get you that.

As long as she doesn't build the UN (making the opponents Mansa & herself) you should be able to get her to vote for you over Mansa. If she does build it, well, you can vote her head of the UN and call it a "team victory."

Mansa has 42% (!) of the population, so you'll need to shave that down, but you can probably increase your own population quite a bit by farming.

It's risky, but it's a possibility.

 

[angeleyes]

You forget we first have to complete the ring ....

 

[armstrong]

You forget we first have to complete the ring ....

I thought the variant was only that you had to complete the ring to settle outside of it, not complete it to win. Completing it will probably be more satisfying though

 

[blid]

Well, the variant does not force us to close the ring. We could have played a 3CC if wanted . But it is in the spirit to close the ring like armostrong said
MM is friendly to Hatty and she is pleased with him. I don't see her voting for us. Would she sign DP with us weaklings ? IMO we can kill Hatty with just the stack positioned in ... Karakorum

How many cannons would you use to kill that stack ? 50 ?

The desperate plan :
- Research up to artillery while building infantry
- Build lot of artillery and make money reserves
- Get the tile NW of Karakorum. If we don't get the artist, put all cultural stuff in Tours : uni, hermitage, globe theatre.
- Declare on Hatty and try to bribe MM to war. Raze Karakorum on first turn. EDIT : pray MM does not chicken like with Asoka
- Go hide in our cities. Let the massacre begin. Any stacks approaching must be hurt by artillery
- Wait till we die

At least it will make for some show


We don't have buddhism in Sparta and Lyons and we don't have a buddhist monastery . This makes theocracy a bit useless. Would join sooooo about Free religion

 

[SpriteSODA]

you need to get a lot of marines, and attack 1 turn from victroy. conquer by amfibious attack all the costal cities and win. you might be able to win by diplo, and hatty will vote for you, too bad that you'll attack her after she vote.

 

[angeleyes]

Well, the variant does not force us to close the ring.

you can't be serious. This is for me a good argument to quit immediately (but i won't)

SpiteSODA, to be able to control Hatshy's coast we have to raze 1 or 2 of her inland city's.....She has a long coastline with no coastal city's.

 

[SpriteSODA]

are you sure you need to control all coasts? isnt it just all the costal cities? =P

 

[angeleyes]

A simple rule : we are only allowed to settle/capture coastal cities until all coastal tiles are under our cultural control. All victory conditions are allowed.

But i have the solution. We culturebomb Karakorum with a great artist and the moment it revolt first time we attack

(chance it will revolt is low i think)

EDIT: no chance. Karakorum has more than 5000 culture, our city's only 1.000, so great artist only equals culture at best...I'm afraid we won't even get an adjecent tile.

 

[SpriteSODA]

Bah the moment we try to manipulate the variant is the moment the game fails.
Try to declare and survive her attack.